Restorative Justice is struggling to show success in MCPS according to students, parents

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son was assault this year. The counselor asked son and offender to sit together with guided interactions by counselor. I guess this was the restorative justice.

Son refused just as I would have refused sitting for some bs with a maniac who physically assaulted me.

So let your children know that RJ is opt out if they like.

I didn't know that they could opt out and the counselor didn't even contact me about what was going to happen before it happened. My elementary school kid got to listen to his group of bullies tell him all of the things he did that made them bully him. He felt scared and targeted during the actual bullying. He felt scared and targeted during the confrontation with the counselor and he felt like his behavior caused the bullying (which it didn't - one complaint was that they don't like how he coughs). None of the parents of the bullies were contacted. I know this because one reached out to me much later - after we had to switch schools - to find out what happened and said that the school didn't call her once about any of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://moco360.media/2023/03/20/county-officials-turn-up-the-heat-on-mcps-restorative-justice-model-question-ceo-data/

County leaders who were trying to measure the effectiveness of two controversial approaches to youth misbehavior—restorative justice and the stationing of police officers away from schools—appeared stymied Monday by a lack of data from Montgomery County Public Schools and the Montgomery County Police Department.

There have been around 2,500 “serious incidents” reported within MCPS for the 2022-23 school year through March 9, according to data shared at a County Council meeting—but so far there’s no breakdown on recidivism rates, the nature of medical calls or student satisfaction with restorative justice exercises, MCPS officials said. County leaders are questioning how well the school district is measuring the success of its response.

The findings were published during a meeting of the County Council’s Public Safety and Education & Culture committees held to discuss community engagement officers (CEOs) and the district’s approach to restorative justice. During the meeting, council members raised concerns about several gaps in information that, if bridged, would help measure the effectiveness of the school district’s restorative justice approach to incident prevention and conflict resolution.

Jawando and other politicos only care about the school to prison pipeline. Not education. They have their kids in private schools. They want to see fewer arrests and incarcerations no matter how bad it gets for everyone else.

So you're saying traffic stops are why MCPD is failing to enforce the law at our schools?

DP.
People have tried to explain to you that MCPD has had their hands tied by the county council. They can’t proactively enforce laws 100% because of council actions. If you want MCPD to do their jobs more effectively, then you should speak directly to the council. It is the COUNCIL that has restricted police activity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son was assault this year. The counselor asked son and offender to sit together with guided interactions by counselor. I guess this was the restorative justice.

Son refused just as I would have refused sitting for some bs with a maniac who physically assaulted me.

So let your children know that RJ is opt out if they like.

I didn't know that they could opt out and the counselor didn't even contact me about what was going to happen before it happened. My elementary school kid got to listen to his group of bullies tell him all of the things he did that made them bully him. He felt scared and targeted during the actual bullying. He felt scared and targeted during the confrontation with the counselor and he felt like his behavior caused the bullying (which it didn't - one complaint was that they don't like how he coughs). None of the parents of the bullies were contacted. I know this because one reached out to me much later - after we had to switch schools - to find out what happened and said that the school didn't call her once about any of it.

I’m a former teacher. RJ sickens me. I’ve watched victimized children have to relive horrors. I hate it, and I hated having to take part in it.

I’m sorry your child experienced that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

So you agree that SROs should be brought back to enforce those laws?

Whether there are SROs or not, MCPD has an obligation to enforce the law in Montgomery County, but according to many posts here they aren't.

Yep!

Yes, so let's bring back actual SROs so they can do their jobs. Agree?

MCPD is already responsible for this whether there are SROs or not, and SROs don't work that well. Just look at their failures at both Parkland and Uvalde.

So you want MCPD to do their jobs but want to also prevent them from doing their jobs.

Only a progressive would be this dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son was assault this year. The counselor asked son and offender to sit together with guided interactions by counselor. I guess this was the restorative justice.

Son refused just as I would have refused sitting for some bs with a maniac who physically assaulted me.

So let your children know that RJ is opt out if they like.

I didn't know that they could opt out and the counselor didn't even contact me about what was going to happen before it happened. My elementary school kid got to listen to his group of bullies tell him all of the things he did that made them bully him. He felt scared and targeted during the actual bullying. He felt scared and targeted during the confrontation with the counselor and he felt like his behavior caused the bullying (which it didn't - one complaint was that they don't like how he coughs). None of the parents of the bullies were contacted. I know this because one reached out to me much later - after we had to switch schools - to find out what happened and said that the school didn't call her once about any of it.

I’m a former teacher. RJ sickens me. I’ve watched victimized children have to relive horrors. I hate it, and I hated having to take part in it.

I’m sorry your child experienced that.

+1 horrific. I would be livid if the school did this.

Once again, MCPS did a crap job of implementing RJ. Get rid of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son was assault this year. The counselor asked son and offender to sit together with guided interactions by counselor. I guess this was the restorative justice.

Son refused just as I would have refused sitting for some bs with a maniac who physically assaulted me.

So let your children know that RJ is opt out if they like.

I didn't know that they could opt out and the counselor didn't even contact me about what was going to happen before it happened. My elementary school kid got to listen to his group of bullies tell him all of the things he did that made them bully him. He felt scared and targeted during the actual bullying. He felt scared and targeted during the confrontation with the counselor and he felt like his behavior caused the bullying (which it didn't - one complaint was that they don't like how he coughs). None of the parents of the bullies were contacted. I know this because one reached out to me much later - after we had to switch schools - to find out what happened and said that the school didn't call her once about any of it.

I’m a former teacher. RJ sickens me. I’ve watched victimized children have to relive horrors. I hate it, and I hated having to take part in it.

I’m sorry your child experienced that.

+1 horrific. I would be livid if the school did this.

Once again, MCPS did a crap job of implementing RJ. Get rid of it.

I am still furious about it all. It was a magnet program and we went back to our home school. My child is still dealing with the effects of this but his home school has been fantastic at working with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

+1 Why do you think MoCo and MCPS are having to re-look at school security. MCPS memo indicates an uptick in issues and drug use in the bathrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

So if it's common knowledge all the is crime is going on at schools then why isn't MCPD doing something about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

So if it's common knowledge all the is crime is going on at schools then why isn't MCPD doing something about it?

So, we can bring back SROs, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

So if it's common knowledge all the is crime is going on at schools then why isn't MCPD doing something about it?

So, we can bring back SROs, right?

It's MCPDs job to police the county whether there are SROs or not, but I've heard SROs don't make schools safer at least they failed to do that at both Parkland or Uvalde.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

I don't hate the police at all. I just want them to fulfill their obligation to police crime throughout the county .

Aren’t you lucky that they do! They found a ton of fentanyl just the other week, during a type of stop that two councilmembers are trying to stop.

The fact MCPD is able to perform so well in spite of their decreased staff and the increased calls is a testament to how good this department actually is.

Talk to the council about giving them more support.

All the posts here claim there are all these felonies like open-air drug markets in the bathrooms or assault which go unpunished, it's just hard to tell who is lying.

Why does anyone need to be lying? That can be happening, and it can also be true that removing SROs means that police aren’t in the vicinity to identify and react to those problems.

So if it's common knowledge all the is crime is going on at schools then why isn't MCPD doing something about it?

So, we can bring back SROs, right?

It's MCPDs job to police the county whether there are SROs or not, but I've heard SROs don't make schools safer at least they failed to do that at both Parkland or Uvalde.

I've heard you're dumb.

If you want MCPD to do their jobs, then yes, bring back full SROs .