US has no good options in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Put yourself in the Ukranian’s shoes. Would you like to have your country taken over forcefully and have to live under a communist dictator’s regime, or live as you have been living?

Now, in order to keep the status quo would you like help? Serious help?

I don't support the idea of invasion. But I think you've set up a false dichotomy of Russia - Ukraine in your own mind. In virtually every single economic and social indicator, Ukraine is no different from Russia. It is poor, corrupt and authoritarian. (Also, Russia no longer lives under a communist dictator's regime). There is no storyline here of an oppressive dictator next door stepping on a tender shoots of freedom. And most importantly, the concept of "your country" is incredibly new to those living in Ukraine. Prior to 1991, there was no independent Ukraine. Ukrainians over 40 were born and raised in the USSR, and the difference between Russia/Ukraine is quite fudgy to them. Don't set up differences where none exist.

Now, about help. In realpolitik, there is no free help. Is the U.S. setting up a new colony?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
You’re deflecting. The argument is not about the US being an Imperialist country or not, or being good or bad (which are words only children use). The argument is whether or not one country should be allowed to invade and take over another. Generally, this is viewed as wrong in todays world. You do get that, right?

I want to hear more about this "invading other countries is wrong" thing, I really do.

[Anonymous]

Here is the reality of this thing. My mom has told me that they might not get the city heating for hours as they are trying to conserve the gas supplies. In the Balkans.Because they get their gas from Russia via Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put yourself in the Ukranian’s shoes. Would you like to have your country taken over forcefully and have to live under a communist dictator’s regime, or live as you have been living?

Now, in order to keep the status quo would you like help? Serious help?

I don't support the idea of invasion. But I think you've set up a false dichotomy of Russia - Ukraine in your own mind. In virtually every single economic and social indicator, Ukraine is no different from Russia. It is poor, corrupt and authoritarian. (Also, Russia no longer lives under a communist dictator's regime). There is no storyline here of an oppressive dictator next door stepping on a tender shoots of freedom. And most importantly, the concept of "your country" is incredibly new to those living in Ukraine. Prior to 1991, there was no independent Ukraine. Ukrainians over 40 were born and raised in the USSR, and the difference between Russia/Ukraine is quite fudgy to them. Don't set up differences where none exist.

Now, about help. In realpolitik, there is no free help. Is the U.S. setting up a new colony?

I don't think YOU understand the Russia-Ukraine dichotomy at all. And Putin is an authoritarian, agree, not a communist, though he does want a return of the USSR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the reality of this thing. My mom has told me that they might not get the city heating for hours as they are trying to conserve the gas supplies. In the Balkans.Because they get their gas from Russia via Ukraine.

Which is why the europeans need energy independence from Russia - renewables and Biden is working on supplies from the Middle East.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put yourself in the Ukranian’s shoes. Would you like to have your country taken over forcefully and have to live under a communist dictator’s regime, or live as you have been living?

Now, in order to keep the status quo would you like help? Serious help?

I don't support the idea of invasion. But I think you've set up a false dichotomy of Russia - Ukraine in your own mind. In virtually every single economic and social indicator, Ukraine is no different from Russia. It is poor, corrupt and authoritarian. (Also, Russia no longer lives under a communist dictator's regime). There is no storyline here of an oppressive dictator next door stepping on a tender shoots of freedom. And most importantly, the concept of "your country" is incredibly new to those living in Ukraine. Prior to 1991, there was no independent Ukraine. Ukrainians over 40 were born and raised in the USSR, and the difference between Russia/Ukraine is quite fudgy to them. Don't set up differences where none exist.

Now, about help. In realpolitik, there is no free help. Is the U.S. setting up a new colony?

So we’re just cool with countries rolling troops into another country to take it? NBD, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put yourself in the Ukranian’s shoes. Would you like to have your country taken over forcefully and have to live under a communist dictator’s regime, or live as you have been living?

Now, in order to keep the status quo would you like help? Serious help?

I don't support the idea of invasion. But I think you've set up a false dichotomy of Russia - Ukraine in your own mind. In virtually every single economic and social indicator, Ukraine is no different from Russia. It is poor, corrupt and authoritarian. (Also, Russia no longer lives under a communist dictator's regime). There is no storyline here of an oppressive dictator next door stepping on a tender shoots of freedom. And most importantly, the concept of "your country" is incredibly new to those living in Ukraine. Prior to 1991, there was no independent Ukraine. Ukrainians over 40 were born and raised in the USSR, and the difference between Russia/Ukraine is quite fudgy to them. Don't set up differences where none exist.

Now, about help. In realpolitik, there is no free help. Is the U.S. setting up a new colony?

Ukraine is not an authoritarian country anymore. It is corrupt and poorer than western europe though.

Also, you are completely distorting the historical record. Ukraine was not part of Russia before the USSR, it was the Pale of Settlement. The place where Russia forced undesirables, ie: Jews, to live. Even under the USSR Ukraine was considered separate from Russia. When the Nazis invaded Stalin even left Ukraine to starve (he took all the food and supplies out of the area ahead of time). Ukrainians do not think they are Russian and have very good historical reasons for wanting nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put yourself in the Ukranian’s shoes. Would you like to have your country taken over forcefully and have to live under a communist dictator’s regime, or live as you have been living?

Now, in order to keep the status quo would you like help? Serious help?

I don't support the idea of invasion. But I think you've set up a false dichotomy of Russia - Ukraine in your own mind. In virtually every single economic and social indicator, Ukraine is no different from Russia. It is poor, corrupt and authoritarian. (Also, Russia no longer lives under a communist dictator's regime). There is no storyline here of an oppressive dictator next door stepping on a tender shoots of freedom. And most importantly, the concept of "your country" is incredibly new to those living in Ukraine. Prior to 1991, there was no independent Ukraine. Ukrainians over 40 were born and raised in the USSR, and the difference between Russia/Ukraine is quite fudgy to them. Don't set up differences where none exist.

Now, about help. In realpolitik, there is no free help. Is the U.S. setting up a new colony?

So we’re just cool with countries rolling troops into another country to take it? NBD, right?

Oh the be irony of an American asking this.

[Anonymous]

Biden to deploy troops to Eastern Europe amid Ukraine standoff


WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden has approved the deployment of additional U.S. troops to Eastern Europe, NBC News confirmed Wednesday.

“At the president’s direction and following Secretary [Lloyd] Austin’s recommendation, the Department of Defense will reposition certain Europe-based units further east, forward deploy additional U.S.-based units to Europe, and maintain the heightened state of readiness of response forces to meet these commitments,” a senior administration official said.

“These forces are not going to fight in Ukraine. They are not permanent moves. They respond to current conditions,” the official added.

Two thousand soldiers in the U.S. will go to Poland and Germany, joining other troops already there, and 1,000 troops in Europe will go to Romania, to reinforce U.S. troops there, the official said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-deploy-troops-eastern-europe-amid-ukraine-standoff-n1288408


Good thing we have the same experts running this that handled Afghanistan.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Why is Michael Flynn referring to what is happening here as "nonsense"?

Is he that much of a traitor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is Michael Flynn referring to what is happening here as "nonsense"?

Is he that much of a traitor?

Yes, he is. He was a bonafide foreign agent while serving as US National Security Advisor. That's what he was pardoned for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ned, your job isn’t for the FEINT of heart

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the reality of this thing. My mom has told me that they might not get the city heating for hours as they are trying to conserve the gas supplies. In the Balkans.Because they get their gas from Russia via Ukraine.

Balkan people were better off under Russian rule.

Independence has not been good for all of the small Balkan states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Pretty funny how all the Russian trolls on twitter are so worked up by this. Even made "Matt Lee" the number one trending topic.

Want to know if the intelligence is true? That's your answer right there.