Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:If Whitmer is in the mix, then bring back Klobuchar. Klobuchar > Whitmer.


True but Klobs is a Chicago - Yale grad.

Whitmer’s salt of the earth like Sarah palin

Joe went to a TTT himself so he feels threatened by those that didn’t go.

Rice is different because joe will feel superior as being “in the arena” compared to her (she’s never ran for anything).

But someone who has held elected office and isn’t TTT - joe feels dumb around those types.

There is a great NYT article where it highlights how during meetings people would let joe ramble and then just ignore him.


Link?

To Joe feeling threatened, I doubt it - Klobuchar recused herself, if not she would have definitely been in the mix. I don't think Joe has delusions of his importance and is looking for someone trustworthy to work with and pass over the torch to. In that sense, it behooves him to find someone smarter than him.
Anonymous
I find it fascinating that people are getting so worked up about what amounts to rumors. Holy crap, folks, hopefully Joe makes a decent choice, but every good American is going to vote for Biden/Whoever no matter what. Probably time to put the shallow judgments away.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Whitmer is in the mix, then bring back Klobuchar. Klobuchar > Whitmer.


True but Klobs is a Chicago - Yale grad.

Whitmer’s salt of the earth like Sarah palin

Joe went to a TTT himself so he feels threatened by those that didn’t go.

Rice is different because joe will feel superior as being “in the arena” compared to her (she’s never ran for anything).

But someone who has held elected office and isn’t TTT - joe feels dumb around those types.

There is a great NYT article where it highlights how during meetings people would let joe ramble and then just ignore him.


Link?

To Joe feeling threatened, I doubt it - Klobuchar recused herself, if not she would have definitely been in the mix. I don't think Joe has delusions of his importance and is looking for someone trustworthy to work with and pass over the torch to. In that sense, it behooves him to find someone smarter than him.


“ In late July, Mr. Plouffe and Mr. Axelrod embarked on a one-day trip from the campaign’s Chicago headquarters to audition all three, starting with Mr. Biden in Delaware.

“Basically I said, ‘Forgive me for being so blunt, but how do we know you know how to shut up?’” Mr. Axelrod recalled asking. “An hour later, he finished answering. So I asked him another question.””

“ At some point, Mr. Biden also told Obama aides that “Barack would never have to worry” about him positioning himself for another presidential run. He was too old, he told them, and he viewed his new job as a capstone, not a catapult. But while both sides assumed that vow covered the duration of Mr. Obama’s presidency, what might happen after that was never explicitly stated.

Mr. Biden was the only one of the finalists to make such a promise. “That was helpful,” Mr. Plouffe said.”

A promise beaker.

“ But they were still on different wavelengths. At meetings, there was usually a good deal of eye rolling when Mr. Biden began one of his long monologues. The vice president was the only person who would say “finally” four or five times before actually stopping, as one person in the room put it.

James B. Comey, then the F.B.I. director, described the dynamic in his memoir: “President Obama would have a series of exchanges heading a conversation very clearly and crisply in Direction A. Then, at some point, Biden would jump in with, ‘Can I ask something, Mr. President?’”

“Obama would politely agree,” Mr. Comey continued, “but something in his expression suggested he knew full well that for the next five or 10 minutes we would all be heading in Direction Z. After listening and patiently waiting, President Obama would then bring the conversation back on course.””

Joe does not want someone as VP who is YLS level
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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.


Really? Why couldn't white women see themselves in Hilary Clinton? I mean what does whitmer have Hilary didnt have ? Are you actually serious with this argument ? It has a weird combination of being pathetic and unbelievably dumb.


Hrc is a Wellesley YLS grad - the average FUPA toting white woman cannot relate to her.

Whitmer is culturally more relatable to this set than HRc.

Whitmer would be culturally more relatable than Gina Raimondo for example as well because of Gina’s educational background



Whitmer was a member of Michigan House of Rep and then Michigan State Senate for many years. She was the Michigan Senate’s first female Democratic leader. She went to Michigan State for her law degree. No one cares she didn’t go to Wellesley or Yale. Most people in this country go to their state school now that college cost is out of control. Obama had about the same amount of experience or less than Whitmer. He was a one time Senator where as Whitmer is a Governor. She has been dealing with the issues that matter for this country.


Gina raimondo has been 10x the governor that whitmer is, is smarter, works out more, just overall outshines Whitmer on every dimension.

So explain why whitmer is top tier and raimondo isnt?



“Works out more”?? Your comments were weird and illogical to begin with but now have crossed over into cuckoo territory.

MI vs tiny electorally insignificant state. Nationally known vs national unknown. Not rocket science, you strange person.
Anonymous
The imbeciles demanding a black woman represent the very worst of toxic identity culture. Choose the most qualified candidate who can help Biden beat Trump......how about that?
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Anonymous wrote:The imbeciles demanding a black woman represent the very worst of toxic identity culture. Choose the most qualified candidate who can help Biden beat Trump......how about that?


How are they imbeciles? Black work are his most solid base. If Jim Clyburn had not endorsed Biden in SC, he would not be the nominee. That’s not identity politics, that’s politics.
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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.


Really? Why couldn't white women see themselves in Hilary Clinton? I mean what does whitmer have Hilary didnt have ? Are you actually serious with this argument ? It has a weird combination of being pathetic and unbelievably dumb.


Hrc is a Wellesley YLS grad - the average FUPA toting white woman cannot relate to her.

Whitmer is culturally more relatable to this set than HRc.

Whitmer would be culturally more relatable than Gina Raimondo for example as well because of Gina’s educational background


Whitmer was a member of Michigan House of Rep and then Michigan State Senate for many years. She was the Michigan Senate’s first female Democratic leader. She went to Michigan State for her law degree. No one cares she didn’t go to Wellesley or Yale. Most people in this country go to their state school now that college cost is out of control. Obama had about the same amount of experience or less than Whitmer. He was a one time Senator where as Whitmer is a Governor. She has been dealing with the issues that matter for this country.


Gina raimondo has been 10x the governor that whitmer is, is smarter, works out more, just overall outshines Whitmer on every dimension.

So explain why whitmer is top tier and raimondo isnt?



The Misogynistic pig is back.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The imbeciles demanding a black woman represent the very worst of toxic identity culture. Choose the most qualified candidate who can help Biden beat Trump......how about that?


How are they imbeciles? Black work are his most solid base. If Jim Clyburn had not endorsed Biden in SC, he would not be the nominee. That’s not identity politics, that’s politics.


It’s literally identity politics. He can choose whomever he wants for whatever reason he wants but let’s not pretend.
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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.


Really? Why couldn't white women see themselves in Hilary Clinton? I mean what does whitmer have Hilary didnt have ? Are you actually serious with this argument ? It has a weird combination of being pathetic and unbelievably dumb.


Hrc is a Wellesley YLS grad - the average FUPA toting white woman cannot relate to her.

Whitmer is culturally more relatable to this set than HRc.

Whitmer would be culturally more relatable than Gina Raimondo for example as well because of Gina’s educational background


Whitmer was a member of Michigan House of Rep and then Michigan State Senate for many years. She was the Michigan Senate’s first female Democratic leader. She went to Michigan State for her law degree. No one cares she didn’t go to Wellesley or Yale. Most people in this country go to their state school now that college cost is out of control. Obama had about the same amount of experience or less than Whitmer. He was a one time Senator where as Whitmer is a Governor. She has been dealing with the issues that matter for this country.


Gina raimondo has been 10x the governor that whitmer is, is smarter, works out more, just overall outshines Whitmer on every dimension.

So explain why whitmer is top tier and raimondo isnt?



The Misogynistic pig is back.


Have some standards - being a Rhodes scholar and being fit should be lauded.

Are we republicans?
Anonymous
NP: I’m a lurker, I‘ve only read a few pages of this, and I freely admit that I can’t keep up. Until reading this post, the only Rice that I thought was on Biden’s short list was Susan Rice. Is Condoleeza Rice actually on the list as well? Or is Condoleeza Rice only on your personal list as a “huge bomb to drop”?
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No she is not on the list. She came to mind as an example of another woman who checks nearly every qualifications box (except being a registered Democrat — but people can change parties). There is no perfect candidate without some controversy, and while l think would be a very bold and strong move to consider someone like her during a time like this it is too late at this point and I’m not suggesting it.

But again, the larger point is it could work. Maybe not last election, maybe not next election - but this one. we have rogue republicans for the first time too — this is the time where things are different and you can move forward by leaps and bounds when you change the status quo to adapt to the new environment. Yes, yes - that is outrageous prissy thinking for sure. Larger point is no one race, demographic, person etc fits into a box with the narrow party affiliations. Both Obama and Trump were the first major signals to that. and while Trump is no standard of excellence, people need to acknowledge that we have to transition from that with a newly engaged public in unique ways. These are not the election years of old. Trying to not make it the election year of olds respectable younger adults like Buttiegeg, Booker, Bottoms, Abrams takes thoughtfulness. 90 year olds won’t be swinging the vote in 2028. Obama implied as much during the townhall he had around police brutality, reminding all the youth of their power now. We respect wisdom, but people should also respect fresh eyes and the perspective and innovation brought, whether by age race or experience. That is why I’m saying wake up and take an honest assessment of what politics look like today. It’s diverse. It’s changing.
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And you can’t just ban TikTok and sue twitter, or scratch someone’s back at XYZ to make it all go away. Thank(?) big data and changes in privacy laws for that too.
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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.


Really? Why couldn't white women see themselves in Hilary Clinton? I mean what does whitmer have Hilary didnt have ? Are you actually serious with this argument ? It has a weird combination of being pathetic and unbelievably dumb.


Hrc is a Wellesley YLS grad - the average FUPA toting white woman cannot relate to her.

Whitmer is culturally more relatable to this set than HRc.

Whitmer would be culturally more relatable than Gina Raimondo for example as well because of Gina’s educational background


Whitmer was a member of Michigan House of Rep and then Michigan State Senate for many years. She was the Michigan Senate’s first female Democratic leader. She went to Michigan State for her law degree. No one cares she didn’t go to Wellesley or Yale. Most people in this country go to their state school now that college cost is out of control. Obama had about the same amount of experience or less than Whitmer. He was a one time Senator where as Whitmer is a Governor. She has been dealing with the issues that matter for this country.


Gina raimondo has been 10x the governor that whitmer is, is smarter, works out more, just overall outshines Whitmer on every dimension.

So explain why whitmer is top tier and raimondo isnt?



The Misogynistic pig is back.


Have some standards - being a Rhodes scholar and being fit should be lauded.

Are we republicans?


So that means you don't like Harris due to her lack of a top-tier education, right?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.


Depressing.

Terribly upset by the white women who overwhelmingly gave us Trump, and now Whitmer. They are as racist and sexist as the white men. Period.


Biden would be the one giving us Whitmer. It his decision and no one else's.

Control of the Senate is important. Rice already withdrew when she was in contention for Sec. of State once before because she could not get confirmed. It might not be much different this time. Harris also might not want to subject herself to the rigorous vetting for AG. Her prosecutorial record will be subject to intense scrutiny, way more than just a few unflattering articles during a presidential campaign. Everything will be viewed with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight.


This. We need a senate that won’t stall on relief if Americans need it. Maybe you don’t want to play ball with the other side, but until they are voted out, or exposed for fraudulent election, those are the rules. Don’t want 4 years of continuing resolutions, government shutdowns, and bickering. along those lines, this is one of the reasons I was very excited for the possibility of Bass. Her low key gift of repair and negotiation across the aisle and willingness to allow younger candidates more time to prove themselves to Americans for a more informed and less emotional vote in 2024.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Whitmer is in the mix, then bring back Klobuchar. Klobuchar > Whitmer.


True but Klobs is a Chicago - Yale grad.

Whitmer’s salt of the earth like Sarah palin

Joe went to a TTT himself so he feels threatened by those that didn’t go.

Rice is different because joe will feel superior as being “in the arena” compared to her (she’s never ran for anything).

But someone who has held elected office and isn’t TTT - joe feels dumb around those types.

There is a great NYT article where it highlights how during meetings people would let joe ramble and then just ignore him.


Third tier toilet?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.


Really? Why couldn't white women see themselves in Hilary Clinton? I mean what does whitmer have Hilary didnt have ? Are you actually serious with this argument ? It has a weird combination of being pathetic and unbelievably dumb.


Hrc is a Wellesley YLS grad - the average FUPA toting white woman cannot relate to her.

Whitmer is culturally more relatable to this set than HRc.

Whitmer would be culturally more relatable than Gina Raimondo for example as well because of Gina’s educational background


Michigan > Michigan State

Whitmer was a member of Michigan House of Rep and then Michigan State Senate for many years. She was the Michigan Senate’s first female Democratic leader. She went to Michigan State for her law degree. No one cares she didn’t go to Wellesley or Yale. Most people in this country go to their state school now that college cost is out of control. Obama had about the same amount of experience or less than Whitmer. He was a one time Senator where as Whitmer is a Governor. She has been dealing with the issues that matter for this country.
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