UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:When they said he ran across Central Park I thought that made such good sense—that he had stashed a bag with change of shirt and jacket and new fake ID, and would easily be able to ditch the gun in the park and make it really hard to find. But it seems like he did none of that. If he had fresh clothes and new bag and ID, he could have stayed on that bus until Oregon and disappeared forever.

He should have used his rich pretty privilege to his advantage and threw on a Penn sweatshirt and nobody would have batted an eye at him. He probably look insane in that McDonalds

You're probably right. He's a charismatic guy; he could have blended right in, and if anyone was suspicious, easily thrown them off by laughing with them "yea, I keep getting told I look like that guy. Crazy, huh?"

No doubt he regrets that now.

He ain't acting remorseful nor regretful.


He's shoving policemen in the courthouse and shouting out his personal gospel to the media and spectators.

Prob withdrawal

He looks like your garden variety crazy that you might see on a subway. Not a Robin Hood with a well thought out plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think people realize how many innocent people are killed by way of limiting access to affordable healthcare in this country by none other than Brian Thompson and those like him leading private health insurance companies.

This kid murdered Thompson in cold blood publicly and got caught.

That's the difference. If you saw even one insurance case of a family at their wits end trying to get a claim approved to help their loved one, I'm not sure how you would not feel that it's a kind of murder or your torture. Because these things are not put forth on a public forum enacted as a play for all to see, it's considered acceptable.

It's very much cold blooded murder however. Ask anyone who has worked a length of time in the healthcare industries.

Tell us! Show us the data!

There is data showing 55% of Americans WITH insurance don't do their annual physical. Many of that cohort haven't had a physical in years.

Tell us more about how "limiting access to "affordable" healthcare", as defined by you personally of course, will help what you are so vaguely referring to.

Our physicals cost $1K. With a high-deductible plan we use because it’s cheaper. I’m guessing that’s why. Ped visits are $250-500.

You’re also willfully ignoring all the doctors who are furious at UHC for denying their patients’ claims. Several have said patients died as a result.

And here we are. UHC killed people, said by a physician.

[Anonymous]

Don’t want a severed pig head hammered into my front door. I’m sure the other people who recognized him don’t either.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s probably got bipolar and is in a mixed state. Just watched the video and that kid is not well. Sad.

I wonder if he always had mental illness and his family was just able to manage it extremely well. It sounds like he was living in California away from family post surgery and probably couldn’t manage and was also doing drugs and lost it.

Probably. It will all come out. ASD + bipolar and maybe triggered Schizophrenia.

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Anonymous wrote:When they said he ran across Central Park I thought that made such good sense—that he had stashed a bag with change of shirt and jacket and new fake ID, and would easily be able to ditch the gun in the park and make it really hard to find. But it seems like he did none of that. If he had fresh clothes and new bag and ID, he could have stayed on that bus until Oregon and disappeared forever.

He should have used his rich pretty privilege to his advantage and threw on a Penn sweatshirt and nobody would have batted an eye at him. He probably look insane in that McDonalds

You're probably right. He's a charismatic guy; he could have blended right in, and if anyone was suspicious, easily thrown them off by laughing with them "yea, I keep getting told I look like that guy. Crazy, huh?"

No doubt he regrets that now.

He ain't acting remorseful nor regretful.


He's shoving policemen in the courthouse and shouting out his personal gospel to the media and spectators.

Prob withdrawal

He looks like your garden variety crazy that you might see on a subway. Not a Robin Hood with a well thought out plan.

People here are crazy.
Hoping someone is tracking IP addresses

[Anonymous]

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Luigi!

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't have called him in on a suspicion if he was my son (especially if I was uncertain of his mental health). I'd pray that he surface and I'd try to locate him myself but there's no way I'd call the cops and give him the name.

Let's say it turns out not to be my kid but the cops track my son down and there is an police altercation and my kid ends up being harmed or killed.

There is no way I'd ID my son. Way too much risk.

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+1. There’s been too many instances of people being shot while getting apprehended, especially when mental instability is involved. I wouldn’t hand a possible death sentence to my son by IDing him to the police.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve come to the conclusion Gen Z is the most mentally unstable generation. Zero resilience and coping strategies outside of their therapists and pharmaceuticals

Agree. I think the best thing is a rude awakening.

Have the government go after them for anything and everything - pro-Hamas; any protests; online crazy posts that hinge on inciting violence. I’m all for it even as a Democrat.

We need better people.

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Anonymous wrote:When they said he ran across Central Park I thought that made such good sense—that he had stashed a bag with change of shirt and jacket and new fake ID, and would easily be able to ditch the gun in the park and make it really hard to find. But it seems like he did none of that. If he had fresh clothes and new bag and ID, he could have stayed on that bus until Oregon and disappeared forever.

He should have used his rich pretty privilege to his advantage and threw on a Penn sweatshirt and nobody would have batted an eye at him. He probably look insane in that McDonalds

You're probably right. He's a charismatic guy; he could have blended right in, and if anyone was suspicious, easily thrown them off by laughing with them "yea, I keep getting told I look like that guy. Crazy, huh?"

No doubt he regrets that now.

He ain't acting remorseful nor regretful.


He's shoving policemen in the courthouse and shouting out his personal gospel to the media and spectators.

Prob withdrawal

He looks like your garden variety crazy that you might see on a subway. Not a Robin Hood with a well thought out plan.

People here are crazy.
Hoping someone is tracking IP addresses

Look where paranoia got people like Luigi. What are you worried about?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve come to the conclusion Gen Z is the most mentally unstable generation. Zero resilience and coping strategies outside of their therapists and pharmaceuticals

Agree. I think the best thing is a rude awakening.

Have the government go after them for anything and everything - pro-Hamas; any protests; online crazy posts that hinge on inciting violence. I’m all for it even as a Democrat.

We need better people.

Unfortunately, Gen Alpha isn't looking promising.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't have called him in on a suspicion if he was my son (especially if I was uncertain of his mental health). I'd pray that he surface and I'd try to locate him myself but there's no way I'd call the cops and give him the name.

Let's say it turns out not to be my kid but the cops track my son down and there is an police altercation and my kid ends up being harmed or killed.

There is no way I'd ID my son. Way too much risk.

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+1. There’s been too many instances of people being shot while getting apprehended, especially when mental instability is involved. I wouldn’t hand a possible death sentence to my son by IDing him to the police.

He’s screwed either way. It would have been just as likely that he took his own life. Would you rather your son take his own life or get him turned in? Look at what happened to Brian Laundrie. I wonder if they regret their actions.

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Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

+1

A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

Many pages ago, a poster asked why health care costs are so much higher than other countries. Anesthesiologists are just one of many reasons, but it's a big one. As an example, the most expensive part of a colonoscopy is the anesthesia, not the gastroenterologist. And that's for a procedure where the gastroenterologist themselves could administer and monitor the anesthesia, but they don't want to piss off the anesthesiologists that they need for the more complicated cases. So the anesthesiologists typically come in for every case, resulting in much higher costs. Colonoscopies are great deals for anesthesiologists.

You are partially right. While the GI dr or colorectal surgeon can write for the drugs, they cannot give it and monitor/manage the patient’s airway under general anesthesia while they are doing their procedure. They are 100% focused on their scope, the findings/taking biopsies , and going in/out without perforating your bowel. But a RN (doesn’t need to even be a CRNA) can be certified in conscious sedation and give that and monitor the patient. That is how these scopes are done acutely at bedside in the ICUs here. This is also how they are done routinely in other counties- no one is getting general anesthesia for scopes in other counties

Airway?

It's through the IV bag already set up. gawd .

that's cool. You just proved to the world that you have no idea how general anesthesia.

Am I suppose to say "gawd" now?

nurses put in IVs all day long. then hook up the anesthesia mixture for your weight.

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Anonymous wrote:So lots of people in Baltimore, including his family must have recognized his photo from the news, but nobody turned him in?

+1 random McDonald’s worker ids him but not one of his 30 cousins do?

They probably did not know where he was - he had cut all contact.

None of them watched the news and saw his face all over it? How did the McDs employee recognize him based on that but nobody who had actually met him before?

Given how he is acting post-arrest, my guess is that he was not acting totally normal in the McD's. Acting mentally "off" combined with the age, clothes, mask, eyebrows.....someone thought "hey, I wonder if it's that guy that's all over the news...." If he had been acting normally and playing wordle on his phone while he ate a Big Mac, I bet no one would have called him in.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

+1

A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

Many pages ago, a poster asked why health care costs are so much higher than other countries. Anesthesiologists are just one of many reasons, but it's a big one. As an example, the most expensive part of a colonoscopy is the anesthesia, not the gastroenterologist. And that's for a procedure where the gastroenterologist themselves could administer and monitor the anesthesia, but they don't want to piss off the anesthesiologists that they need for the more complicated cases. So the anesthesiologists typically come in for every case, resulting in much higher costs. Colonoscopies are great deals for anesthesiologists.

You are partially right. While the GI dr or colorectal surgeon can write for the drugs, they cannot give it and monitor/manage the patient’s airway under general anesthesia while they are doing their procedure. They are 100% focused on their scope, the findings/taking biopsies , and going in/out without perforating your bowel. But a RN (doesn’t need to even be a CRNA) can be certified in conscious sedation and give that and monitor the patient. That is how these scopes are done acutely at bedside in the ICUs here. This is also how they are done routinely in other counties- no one is getting general anesthesia for scopes in other counties

Airway?

It's through the IV bag already set up. gawd .

It's amazing how arrogant someone can be despite total ignorance.

Yes, the anesthesia drugs enter through the IV. But one of the primary tasks of an anesthesiologist or CRNA is to monitor the patient's airway while they are under. That is, to make sure they're still breathing. JFC.

so 1:1 a paid nurse stands there watching you breathe for your entire baby delivery, or colonosopy, or wisdom tooth extraction, or open chest surgery?

Or the screen starts beeping?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think people realize how many innocent people are killed by way of limiting access to affordable healthcare in this country by none other than Brian Thompson and those like him leading private health insurance companies.

This kid murdered Thompson in cold blood publicly and got caught.

That's the difference. If you saw even one insurance case of a family at their wits end trying to get a claim approved to help their loved one, I'm not sure how you would not feel that it's a kind of murder or your torture. Because these things are not put forth on a public forum enacted as a play for all to see, it's considered acceptable.

It's very much cold blooded murder however. Ask anyone who has worked a length of time in the healthcare industries.

Tell us! Show us the data!

There is data showing 55% of Americans WITH insurance don't do their annual physical. Many of that cohort haven't had a physical in years.

Tell us more about how "limiting access to "affordable" healthcare", as defined by you personally of course, will help what you are so vaguely referring to.

Our physicals cost $1K. With a high-deductible plan we use because it’s cheaper. I’m guessing that’s why. Ped visits are $250-500.

You’re also willfully ignoring all the doctors who are furious at UHC for denying their patients’ claims. Several have said patients died as a result.

Excellent.

So intead of paying $800/month for a family plan and your employer paying $1500/ month for yours, skip insurance and pay out of pocket cash prices. You have $30k to work with per year.