UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

+1

A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

I found the salary discrepancy in this article interesting. DCUM posters often claim DMV providers need to go concierge to make ends meet, to live in this area or pay off student loans. Doctors seem to be getting by in Paris and Berlin on way less.

Those French and German doctors don’t have the student loan burden that US doctors do. They also don’t have the same restrictions on numbers of medical schools and numbers of residencies that they have in those countries. The number of potential new doctors each year is capped in this country. It’s inherently anti-capitalist.

Why do we do this?

EUROPE DOES THIS.

based on your academic test scores in your teens, you gain access to the EU gov't university system and are told what major you qualify for. 30% of the pop goes to college. It's 40% here and in the UK. UK still has A level tests, if you don't do well on that, No Oxbridge for you. Can't even apply.

Ironically everyone thinks it's fun to be an architect, yet those are capped very low. We have friends who took their country standardized tests manhy times to get on the Law track or the Medical track, could not and went to america or the caribbean or the UK for full pay college.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

+1

A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

Many pages ago, a poster asked why health care costs are so much higher than other countries. Anesthesiologists are just one of many reasons, but it's a big one. As an example, the most expensive part of a colonoscopy is the anesthesia, not the gastroenterologist. And that's for a procedure where the gastroenterologist themselves could administer and monitor the anesthesia, but they don't want to piss off the anesthesiologists that they need for the more complicated cases. So the anesthesiologists typically come in for every case, resulting in much higher costs. Colonoscopies are great deals for anesthesiologists.

You are partially right. While the GI dr or colorectal surgeon can write for the drugs, they cannot give it and monitor/manage the patient’s airway under general anesthesia while they are doing their procedure. They are 100% focused on their scope, the findings/taking biopsies , and going in/out without perforating your bowel. But a RN (doesn’t need to even be a CRNA) can be certified in conscious sedation and give that and monitor the patient. That is how these scopes are done acutely at bedside in the ICUs here. This is also how they are done routinely in other counties- no one is getting general anesthesia for scopes in other counties

Airway?

It's through the IV bag already set up. gawd .

that's cool. You just proved to the world that you have no idea how general anesthesia.

Am I suppose to say "gawd" now?

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Gross. What were you all saying? Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

+1

A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

Many pages ago, a poster asked why health care costs are so much higher than other countries. Anesthesiologists are just one of many reasons, but it's a big one. As an example, the most expensive part of a colonoscopy is the anesthesia, not the gastroenterologist. And that's for a procedure where the gastroenterologist themselves could administer and monitor the anesthesia, but they don't want to piss off the anesthesiologists that they need for the more complicated cases. So the anesthesiologists typically come in for every case, resulting in much higher costs. Colonoscopies are great deals for anesthesiologists.

You are partially right. While the GI dr or colorectal surgeon can write for the drugs, they cannot give it and monitor/manage the patient’s airway under general anesthesia while they are doing their procedure. They are 100% focused on their scope, the findings/taking biopsies , and going in/out without perforating your bowel. But a RN (doesn’t need to even be a CRNA) can be certified in conscious sedation and give that and monitor the patient. That is how these scopes are done acutely at bedside in the ICUs here. This is also how they are done routinely in other counties- no one is getting general anesthesia for scopes in other counties

Airway?

It's through the IV bag already set up. gawd .

It's amazing how arrogant someone can be despite total ignorance.

Yes, the anesthesia drugs enter through the IV. But one of the primary tasks of an anesthesiologist or CRNA is to monitor the patient's airway while they are under. That is, to make sure they're still breathing. JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think people realize how many innocent people are killed by way of limiting access to affordable healthcare in this country by none other than Brian Thompson and those like him leading private health insurance companies.

This kid murdered Thompson in cold blood publicly and got caught.

That's the difference. If you saw even one insurance case of a family at their wits end trying to get a claim approved to help their loved one, I'm not sure how you would not feel that it's a kind of murder or your torture. Because these things are not put forth on a public forum enacted as a play for all to see, it's considered acceptable.

It's very much cold blooded murder however. Ask anyone who has worked a length of time in the healthcare industries.

Why are you blaming the insurer and not the hospitals and doctors for their outrageous charges? The insurance industry evolved because hospitals and doctors were just charging whatever they wanted and ordering procedures for anything and everything until just paying claims became unsustainable.

correct.

Doctor providers still like to codify things incorrectly to ramp up their copayments, patient charges and insurance charges.

Even bloodwork at an annual physical, 100% covered, generates a shit ton of fees if your doctor group is coached to codify things as "non routine". yet are routine. Don't pay it! Make the insurer and doctor team work it out.

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Anonymous wrote:So lots of people in Baltimore, including his family must have recognized his photo from the news, but nobody turned him in?

+1 random McDonald’s worker ids him but not one of his 30 cousins do?

They probably did not know where he was - he had cut all contact.

No one in his family recognized his picture? I'm not buying it.

The released pictures (not great shots) all look a little different from each other and from the pictures after he was caught. He's also not super unique looking. You could walk into any mall on LI and find 5 look-alikes in 10 min. Add the "he would never do that, impossible" reaction most people have about family members and I totally get it.

And yet someone in McDonalds’ who had never seen him before figured it out.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think people realize how many innocent people are killed by way of limiting access to affordable healthcare in this country by none other than Brian Thompson and those like him leading private health insurance companies.

This kid murdered Thompson in cold blood publicly and got caught.

That's the difference. If you saw even one insurance case of a family at their wits end trying to get a claim approved to help their loved one, I'm not sure how you would not feel that it's a kind of murder or your torture. Because these things are not put forth on a public forum enacted as a play for all to see, it's considered acceptable.

It's very much cold blooded murder however. Ask anyone who has worked a length of time in the healthcare industries.

Tell us! Show us the data!

There is data showing 55% of Americans WITH insurance don't do their annual physical. Many of that cohort haven't had a physical in years.

Tell us more about how "limiting access to "affordable" healthcare", as defined by you personally of course, will help what you are so vaguely referring to.

Our physicals cost $1K. With a high-deductible plan we use because it’s cheaper. I’m guessing that’s why. Ped visits are $250-500.

You’re also willfully ignoring all the doctors who are furious at UHC for denying their patients’ claims. Several have said patients died as a result.

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I’ve come to the conclusion Gen Z is the most mentally unstable generation. Zero resilience and coping strategies outside of their therapists and pharmaceuticals

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Anonymous wrote:The killer is related to a Baltimore councilman with familial connections to Nancy Pelosi. Maryland Matters reported this yesterday. Google to find it.

And a MD lawmaker who was trumps county chair.

Google it.

No. The family of the shooter is all a Democrat (by registration). The family is well known in Baltimore. If you knew them, you’d know.

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Anonymous wrote:When they said he ran across Central Park I thought that made such good sense—that he had stashed a bag with change of shirt and jacket and new fake ID, and would easily be able to ditch the gun in the park and make it really hard to find. But it seems like he did none of that. If he had fresh clothes and new bag and ID, he could have stayed on that bus until Oregon and disappeared forever.

He should have used his rich pretty privilege to his advantage and threw on a Penn sweatshirt and nobody would have batted an eye at him. He probably look insane in that McDonalds

You're probably right. He's a charismatic guy; he could have blended right in, and if anyone was suspicious, easily thrown them off by laughing with them "yea, I keep getting told I look like that guy. Crazy, huh?"

No doubt he regrets that now.

He ain't acting remorseful nor regretful.


He's shoving policemen in the courthouse and shouting out his personal gospel to the media and spectators.

Prob withdrawal

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Anonymous wrote:PSYCHEDELIC MUSHROOMS

X just reinstated Luigi’s X account. His “reading list” is mostly books on Magic mushrooms / Psychedelic mushrooms.

Luigi had been in Hawaii for the last few months, where, apparently, he cooked his brain with magic mushrooms and wrote his “manifesto.”

probably.

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Anonymous wrote:The killer is related to a Baltimore councilman with familial connections to Nancy Pelosi. Maryland Matters reported this yesterday. Google to find it.

And a MD lawmaker who was trumps county chair.

Google it.

No. The family of the shooter is all a Democrat (by registration). The family is well known in Baltimore. If you knew them, you’d know.

https://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/msa18040.html

You sure about that?

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Anonymous wrote:So lots of people in Baltimore, including his family must have recognized his photo from the news, but nobody turned him in?

dark eyes and defined eyebrows?!

That could be millions of mediterranean descent dudes!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The killer is related to a Baltimore councilman with familial connections to Nancy Pelosi. Maryland Matters reported this yesterday. Google to find it.

And a MD lawmaker who was trumps county chair.

Google it.

No. The family of the shooter is all a Democrat (by registration). The family is well known in Baltimore. If you knew them, you’d know.

https://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/06hse/html/msa18040.html

You sure about that?

IYKYK

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Anonymous wrote:So lots of people in Baltimore, including his family must have recognized his photo from the news, but nobody turned him in?

dark eyes and defined eyebrows?!

That could be millions of mediterranean descent dudes!

I wouldn’t take the risk either. They are…connected shall we say.