Why do parents have such an issue with DEIB

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify a few things: I am the PP who doesn’t like a lot of DEI programming because a lot of it is anti-labor and seems designed to prevent class-based solidarity. I also agree with the posts that observe that OP and a lot of private school DEI defenders are utter hypocrites who are uninterested in doing anything actually hard to change inequity. I suspect they would bitterly fight any private school union efforts.

What I am not at all opposed to is teaching children the accurate violent history of slavery, men’s violence against women, or teaching children about diverse authors, etc. But that has to come with willingness to teach critical thinking and be willing to accept dissent, and I see little evidence that is happening now. What badly done DEI does is suppress dissent, particularly dissent that strays out of a narrowly tailored corporatist framework.

I hate the self-congratulatory delusion that comes with private school DEI, where proponents like OP are all pretending that these schools are remotely egalitarian to begin with. Let’s be honest: no DEI proponent who sends their child to a $50k/year private school (or who moves to “good” school districts) is actually truly interested in the implementation of equity. Of course they aren’t: that would mean giving up actual privilege rather than, like OP, just blathering endlessly about privilege.

So I’m against a lot of it, because I think a lot of the formal programs are really just hypocritical grifts meant to make its proponents be able to excuse their own sharp-fingered opportunity hoarding. I would prefer honesty and debate over dishonest grift.

But can you first be honest with yourself concerning your own racism?

Certainly, PP, you would never identify yourself as racist. In fact, you would most likely identify as racially progressive and vehemently deny any complicity with racism.

Yet your response amply illustrates your own white fragility and how it holds racism in place.

It is you, PP, and other white progressives who actually cause the most daily damage to people of color, and ultimately reinforce white supremacy.

This is precisely the kind of preachy, formulaic histrionics that psychologically normal people are repulsed by, hence this whole thread

Thanks for the demonstration, even though you sound like you might be a chatbot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who remembers their seventh grade teacher trying to convince the class that slaves were happy to be slaves, I am glad that we have evolved.

Oh, and those who are anti-DEI...that is just garden variety racism.

Is it still racism if I’m a member of one of the groups this is designed to help?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify a few things: I am the PP who doesn’t like a lot of DEI programming because a lot of it is anti-labor and seems designed to prevent class-based solidarity. I also agree with the posts that observe that OP and a lot of private school DEI defenders are utter hypocrites who are uninterested in doing anything actually hard to change inequity. I suspect they would bitterly fight any private school union efforts.

What I am not at all opposed to is teaching children the accurate violent history of slavery, men’s violence against women, or teaching children about diverse authors, etc. But that has to come with willingness to teach critical thinking and be willing to accept dissent, and I see little evidence that is happening now. What badly done DEI does is suppress dissent, particularly dissent that strays out of a narrowly tailored corporatist framework.

I hate the self-congratulatory delusion that comes with private school DEI, where proponents like OP are all pretending that these schools are remotely egalitarian to begin with. Let’s be honest: no DEI proponent who sends their child to a $50k/year private school (or who moves to “good” school districts) is actually truly interested in the implementation of equity. Of course they aren’t: that would mean giving up actual privilege rather than, like OP, just blathering endlessly about privilege.

So I’m against a lot of it, because I think a lot of the formal programs are really just hypocritical grifts meant to make its proponents be able to excuse their own sharp-fingered opportunity hoarding. I would prefer honesty and debate over dishonest grift.

But can you first be honest with yourself concerning your own racism?

Certainly, PP, you would never identify yourself as racist. In fact, you would most likely identify as racially progressive and vehemently deny any complicity with racism.

Yet your response amply illustrates your own white fragility and how it holds racism in place.

It is you, PP, and other white progressives who actually cause the most daily damage to people of color, and ultimately reinforce white supremacy.

Dear Lord. Please never ever insult me again by calling me a white progressive. That’s a low blow.

I have no patience for the rest of your nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

I'm sure plenty of schools around here use materials from Tema Okun, the popularizer of all that stuff

but I guess what you need to see is a poster of it in the principal's office with the principal holding up their driver's license, that's fine

you should Google "Motte-and-Bailey" if you want to better understand your own argument

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To clarify a few things: I am the PP who doesn’t like a lot of DEI programming because a lot of it is anti-labor and seems designed to prevent class-based solidarity. I also agree with the posts that observe that OP and a lot of private school DEI defenders are utter hypocrites who are uninterested in doing anything actually hard to change inequity. I suspect they would bitterly fight any private school union efforts.

What I am not at all opposed to is teaching children the accurate violent history of slavery, men’s violence against women, or teaching children about diverse authors, etc. But that has to come with willingness to teach critical thinking and be willing to accept dissent, and I see little evidence that is happening now. What badly done DEI does is suppress dissent, particularly dissent that strays out of a narrowly tailored corporatist framework.

I hate the self-congratulatory delusion that comes with private school DEI, where proponents like OP are all pretending that these schools are remotely egalitarian to begin with. Let’s be honest: no DEI proponent who sends their child to a $50k/year private school (or who moves to “good” school districts) is actually truly interested in the implementation of equity. Of course they aren’t: that would mean giving up actual privilege rather than, like OP, just blathering endlessly about privilege.

So I’m against a lot of it, because I think a lot of the formal programs are really just hypocritical grifts meant to make its proponents be able to excuse their own sharp-fingered opportunity hoarding. I would prefer honesty and debate over dishonest grift.

But can you first be honest with yourself concerning your own racism?

Certainly, PP, you would never identify yourself as racist. In fact, you would most likely identify as racially progressive and vehemently deny any complicity with racism.

Yet your response amply illustrates your own white fragility and how it holds racism in place.

It is you, PP, and other white progressives who actually cause the most daily damage to people of color, and ultimately reinforce white supremacy.

DP. Huh? Is DEI a struggle session where white people have to confess their racism? Even more reason to get it out of schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

I'm sure plenty of schools around here use materials from Tema Okun, the popularizer of all that stuff

but I guess what you need to see is a poster of it in the principal's office with the principal holding up their driver's license, that's fine

you should Google "Motte-and-Bailey" if you want to better understand your own argument

Those of us with real life kids in real life schools know you’re full of crap. Go push your propaganda somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To clarify a few things: I am the PP who doesn’t like a lot of DEI programming because a lot of it is anti-labor and seems designed to prevent class-based solidarity. I also agree with the posts that observe that OP and a lot of private school DEI defenders are utter hypocrites who are uninterested in doing anything actually hard to change inequity. I suspect they would bitterly fight any private school union efforts.

What I am not at all opposed to is teaching children the accurate violent history of slavery, men’s violence against women, or teaching children about diverse authors, etc. But that has to come with willingness to teach critical thinking and be willing to accept dissent, and I see little evidence that is happening now. What badly done DEI does is suppress dissent, particularly dissent that strays out of a narrowly tailored corporatist framework.

I hate the self-congratulatory delusion that comes with private school DEI, where proponents like OP are all pretending that these schools are remotely egalitarian to begin with. Let’s be honest: no DEI proponent who sends their child to a $50k/year private school (or who moves to “good” school districts) is actually truly interested in the implementation of equity. Of course they aren’t: that would mean giving up actual privilege rather than, like OP, just blathering endlessly about privilege.

So I’m against a lot of it, because I think a lot of the formal programs are really just hypocritical grifts meant to make its proponents be able to excuse their own sharp-fingered opportunity hoarding. I would prefer honesty and debate over dishonest grift.

But can you first be honest with yourself concerning your own racism?

Certainly, PP, you would never identify yourself as racist. In fact, you would most likely identify as racially progressive and vehemently deny any complicity with racism.

Yet your response amply illustrates your own white fragility and how it holds racism in place.

It is you, PP, and other white progressives who actually cause the most daily damage to people of color, and ultimately reinforce white supremacy.

DP. Huh? Is DEI a struggle session where white people have to confess their racism? Even more reason to get it out of schools.

Struggle sessions appear to be the goal. Harmony among the children is clearly not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

I'm sure plenty of schools around here use materials from Tema Okun, the popularizer of all that stuff

but I guess what you need to see is a poster of it in the principal's office with the principal holding up their driver's license, that's fine

you should Google "Motte-and-Bailey" if you want to better understand your own argument

Those of us with real life kids in real life schools know you’re full of crap. Go push your propaganda somewhere else.

can you tell us which schools DON'T have it? we're actually looking; it would be helpful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

I'm sure plenty of schools around here use materials from Tema Okun, the popularizer of all that stuff

but I guess what you need to see is a poster of it in the principal's office with the principal holding up their driver's license, that's fine

you should Google "Motte-and-Bailey" if you want to better understand your own argument

Those of us with real life kids in real life schools know you’re full of crap. Go push your propaganda somewhere else.

can you tell us which schools DON'T have it? we're actually looking; it would be helpful

Easy. Zero schools in the area teach that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

I'm sure plenty of schools around here use materials from Tema Okun, the popularizer of all that stuff

but I guess what you need to see is a poster of it in the principal's office with the principal holding up their driver's license, that's fine

you should Google "Motte-and-Bailey" if you want to better understand your own argument

Those of us with real life kids in real life schools know you’re full of crap. Go push your propaganda somewhere else.

can you tell us which schools DON'T have it? we're actually looking; it would be helpful

Easy. Zero schools in the area teach that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”.

https://www.gds.org/about/diversity-equity-and-inclusion/resources-for-parents

including: "White Supremacy Culture," by Kenneth Jones and Tema Okun, ChangeWork

try harder

is this the part where "it's not happening but it's great that it is?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

I'm sure plenty of schools around here use materials from Tema Okun, the popularizer of all that stuff

but I guess what you need to see is a poster of it in the principal's office with the principal holding up their driver's license, that's fine

you should Google "Motte-and-Bailey" if you want to better understand your own argument

Those of us with real life kids in real life schools know you’re full of crap. Go push your propaganda somewhere else.

can you tell us which schools DON'T have it? we're actually looking; it would be helpful

WIS does not have DEI. It has IDI: internationalism, diversity and inclusion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This is utter BS
fear mongering from the rw crowd

trust me, we WISH it was

https://mynorthwest.com/3950467/jason-rantz-seattle-english-high-school-students-white-supremacy-reading-writing/

So no evidence of this happening in a DC area private school (the topic of this thread)?

it's all over them, has been for years

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-new-plan

what rock you been under

1) that’s a whiney op-ed

2) it doesn’t give any examples of “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture”

That curriculum was posted pages ago. Do try to keep up.

So like I said, zero evidence that “getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture” is happening in private schools here.

I'm sure plenty of schools around here use materials from Tema Okun, the popularizer of all that stuff

but I guess what you need to see is a poster of it in the principal's office with the principal holding up their driver's license, that's fine

you should Google "Motte-and-Bailey" if you want to better understand your own argument

Those of us with real life kids in real life schools know you’re full of crap. Go push your propaganda somewhere else.

can you tell us which schools DON'T have it? we're actually looking; it would be helpful

WIS does not have DEI. It has IDI: internationalism, diversity and inclusion.

Very similar.