Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.

+1 once you seek out NYT coverage yes the masses are going to form opinions. We're allowed, sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I am also a lawyer and I support Lively in these circumstances. And for that matter I am also a female lawyer who has been sexually harassed, discriminated against, or close to it (IT manager once gleefully showed me and my boss porn in my first job out of school before I became a lawyer (no repercussions, I excused myself and left); on campus interviewer took me out to drinks and basically propositioned me; went to a different firm and got shit work there while the male attys got depositions; had to avoid being in same room as notoriously handsy partner for two years; worked in group where rainmaking partner raped associate and still stayed at firm and had to report to him on several matters etc). I’m at a different firm now. Nobody needs to tell me what sexual harassment is but thanks.

What about her complaint compared to his complaint makes you support her claim? You’ve described your own experiences, but that has nothing to do with what she has alleged.

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Anonymous wrote:I also - non-lawyer here - am befuddled by people talking about BL’s day in court. The person who has been accused in JB, and his life looks to be destroyed. He’s 40 years old and there is a good chance he will never work in his chosen profession again. He is labeled by a large number of people as a harasser, an abuser, a misogynist. BL will live out a happy, extraordinarily privileged life and will continue to be a lifestyle influencer with still 40 million + followers.

If we should be chiding anyone about waiting to pass judgement until court, it’s the BL/antiJB supporters. I realize this is civil not criminal so the whole innocent until proven guilty thing isn’t the same, but I feel like it’s pretty uncertain what happened and hate to see someone destroyed until we really know. I look forward to the video evidence and seeing what the other cast and crew experienced.

There are two different cases. Blake is s defendant in Justin's lawsuit.

Editing to correct there are three cases. Justin has one lawsuit against the New York Times and another lawsuit against Lively and Reynolds.

Blake has a lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer.

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Anonymous wrote:In my twenties my much older boss put his hand on my thigh. I felt awful but couldn’t say anything because I couldn’t risk my job and I had no self esteem or life skills (both parents were unemployed and non college educated). Texting a man to come to your office while pumping and then making an issue of whether he averted his eyes or whatever while you are famous and married to a billionaire is not harassment to me. I know what it’s like to feel degraded by a man at work and this just isn’t it.

The scenario makes no sense unless he was insisting they had to meet in person that second. I get that she could be rushing to nurse the baby and multitasking after finishing work. But why couldn’t they talk on the phone or her assistant take a message …? It takes like 15 minutes to nurse.

This comment is a good example of people conflating incidents or not understanding what is at issue.

The incident you are talking about involved Heath talking to Lively in the makeup trailer while topless. She claims she asked if he would wait outside until she could put on a top, that he refused, so she asked him to turn around, but then she still caught him looking at her boobs even after she'd asked him both to leave or at least turn around.

Baldoni's complaint claims Lively was not topless during this incident but covered and either nursing or pumping (this is a disputed fact). He does not say Lively asked him to leave (disputed fact). He agrees that he at some point caught sight of Lively's exposed breasts (agreed fact), but says that later Lively joked about it and it seemed like no big deal (inconsistent interpretation).

The scenario "makes no sense" because there are two different sets of facts that cannot be reconciled and you don't have enough info to decide which is correct, if either.

I just reread that section of the Lively complaint and noticed this: “ Ms. Lively often had to work while breastfeeding, which she felt comfortable doing so long as she was given the time and space to cover herself.”

So I think it’s clear that she had a practice of working while breastfeeding, but is trying to claim that it suddenly made her uncomfortable. Not super credible IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.

She wants people to buy her products. Of course public opinion is important. If she wasn’t getting hate it’s likely she wouldn’t have sued him to begin with.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.

I'm The NY Times? You don't say!

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Anonymous wrote:I also - non-lawyer here - am befuddled by people talking about BL’s day in court. The person who has been accused in JB, and his life looks to be destroyed. He’s 40 years old and there is a good chance he will never work in his chosen profession again. He is labeled by a large number of people as a harasser, an abuser, a misogynist. BL will live out a happy, extraordinarily privileged life and will continue to be a lifestyle influencer with still 40 million + followers.

If we should be chiding anyone about waiting to pass judgement until court, it’s the BL/antiJB supporters. I realize this is civil not criminal so the whole innocent until proven guilty thing isn’t the same, but I feel like it’s pretty uncertain what happened and hate to see someone destroyed until we really know. I look forward to the video evidence and seeing what the other cast and crew experienced.

There are two different cases. Blake is s defendant in Justin's lawsuit.

Editing to correct there are three cases. Justin has one lawsuit against the New York Times and another lawsuit against Lively and Reynolds.

Blake has a lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer.

Can someone link the complaint against the NYT? I have found the other ones.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.

+1 once you seek out NYT coverage yes the masses are going to form opinions. We're allowed, sorry.

+1000; no one owns the right to an opinion

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.

+1 once you seek out NYT coverage yes the masses are going to form opinions. We're allowed, sorry.

+1000; no one owns the right to an opinion

And what if you're wrong and he is found to have sexually harassed and retaliated? What then? Do you think your time was well spent tearing her down perhaps making other women think it wasn't worth it to report attractive men who acted inappropriately because they will be destroyed in the process? I think people are going well beyond just having a little opinion here.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25473221-justin-baldoni/

Baldoni complaint against NYT filed in Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

What kills me is women and men saying that a woman is lying about sexual harassment when she hasn’t had her day in court, so they’re just willy nilly making declarations. That’s why women don’t speak up. That’s why women aren’t believed. Some rando who wasn’t there confidently saying she’s lying.

Look how many posts on here saying she’s lying in comparison to him. The only posts I’ve seen about him lying are ones saying they both exaggerated.

I don’t need a court trial to decide who is lying when courts omit evidence because it does not meet a legal criteria. As a society we can make up our own minds with out it going through a court proceeding.

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Anonymous wrote:In my twenties my much older boss put his hand on my thigh. I felt awful but couldn’t say anything because I couldn’t risk my job and I had no self esteem or life skills (both parents were unemployed and non college educated). Texting a man to come to your office while pumping and then making an issue of whether he averted his eyes or whatever while you are famous and married to a billionaire is not harassment to me. I know what it’s like to feel degraded by a man at work and this just isn’t it.

The scenario makes no sense unless he was insisting they had to meet in person that second. I get that she could be rushing to nurse the baby and multitasking after finishing work. But why couldn’t they talk on the phone or her assistant take a message …? It takes like 15 minutes to nurse.

This comment is a good example of people conflating incidents or not understanding what is at issue.

The incident you are talking about involved Heath talking to Lively in the makeup trailer while topless. She claims she asked if he would wait outside until she could put on a top, that he refused, so she asked him to turn around, but then she still caught him looking at her boobs even after she'd asked him both to leave or at least turn around.

Baldoni's complaint claims Lively was not topless during this incident but covered and either nursing or pumping (this is a disputed fact). He does not say Lively asked him to leave (disputed fact). He agrees that he at some point caught sight of Lively's exposed breasts (agreed fact), but says that later Lively joked about it and it seemed like no big deal (inconsistent interpretation).

The scenario "makes no sense" because there are two different sets of facts that cannot be reconciled and you don't have enough info to decide which is correct, if either.

I just reread that section of the Lively complaint and noticed this: “ Ms. Lively often had to work while breastfeeding, which she felt comfortable doing so long as she was given the time and space to cover herself.”

So I think it’s clear that she had a practice of working while breastfeeding, but is trying to claim that it suddenly made her uncomfortable. Not super credible IMO.

But her complaint said she was comfortable working while BFing *if* given time and space to cover herself. That seems very clear to me. She did not feel she was given time and space to cover herself. So she felt uncomfortable.

I felt similarly when I was nursing. I could do it in front of people but not if I had no way to cover myself or people were staring at me the whole time. If I asked someone for a minute so I could arrange a covering, or requested someone look away while I started a latch or removed a pump, and they didn't, I would feel very uncomfortable. Especially because timing is important with breastfeeding. You are kind of at the mercy of your body's milk production and/or your baby's eating cycle. So it's not imperious to be like "can I have a minute here" -- your boobs might be painfully full or your baby might be aggressively rooting and on the verge of losing it. You might just be trying to stay on top of something over which you don't have perfect control, especially if you are also working through all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.

+1 once you seek out NYT coverage yes the masses are going to form opinions. We're allowed, sorry.

+1000; no one owns the right to an opinion

And what if you're wrong and he is found to have sexually harassed and retaliated? What then? Do you think your time was well spent tearing her down perhaps making other women think it wasn't worth it to report attractive men who acted inappropriately because they will be destroyed in the process? I think people are going well beyond just having a little opinion here.

Turn it around, what if you are wrong ? His career basically ruined and the general public even less likely to believe the next woman with a legitimate complaint.

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Blake is a big fat bully. Shame on her. She is a disgrace.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.

+1 once you seek out NYT coverage yes the masses are going to form opinions. We're allowed, sorry.

+1000; no one owns the right to an opinion

And what if you're wrong and he is found to have sexually harassed and retaliated? What then? Do you think your time was well spent tearing her down perhaps making other women think it wasn't worth it to report attractive men who acted inappropriately because they will be destroyed in the process? I think people are going well beyond just having a little opinion here.

Your definition of tearing someone down is that Blake's version has to be accepted 100 percent, with bad motivations assigned to Baldoni, and be the only credible person while Justin' Baldoni's version has to be accepted 0 percent.

We are talking about various facts that appear through the text messages and complaints. We are allowed to assess the arguments in the complaints and discuss the evidence presented. Sorry this is so trying for you. You probably should not go to a court proceeding if you cannot handle hearing evidence from both sides. Also, maybe you need another job besides PR person for Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds.