Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

to add because she hasn't even had her day in court. But people who just don't like her for whatever reasons branded her a liar. That's BS and not how things work. The lesson is women will look for any and all reasons to protect a sensitive man wearing a bun with few facts so future victims will say "why bother" instead of putting up with this level of abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Please quote the specific post that said she brought harrassment on herself.

DP but the posts saying she caused the Justin problem herself by inviting him into her trailer in the first place when she was changing or whatever are like that for me.

I did not interpret those posts as saying she deserved harrassment. Rather I thought they were saying it was bizarre to claim harrassment after inviting someone into the trailer while her breast was uncovered. It does not mean there are not instances of harrassment. It is just strange to invite someone while you are undressed in any way and then say that them accepting your invitation is harassment.

And there it is.

And anyway, it wasn’t the accepting the invite that was problematic, but her asking him to turn his back because she would be topless and then later finding him looking at her that was the problem. So you are changing the truth in a problematic way that benefits Baldoni and co., which is what people are commenting on.

I think most people just don't know what to do when someone is BFing. We have to act like it's NBD but it's clearly personal and sometimes things are visible and it's awkward for all. I say this having BF in public before etc.

I really doubt someone is trying to ogle her BFing. It sounds silly, sorry.

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In my twenties my much older boss put his hand on my thigh. I felt awful but couldn’t say anything because I couldn’t risk my job and I had no self esteem or life skills (both parents were unemployed and non college educated). Texting a man to come to your office while pumping and then making an issue of whether he averted his eyes or whatever while you are famous and married to a billionaire is not harassment to me. I know what it’s like to feel degraded by a man at work and this just isn’t it.

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Anonymous wrote:I see dcum is still defending the self anointed khaleesi. Well, she certainly needs it now that the entire internet has turned against her (which she very much cares about and her team misled her to believe it was a smear job and not organic). She’s probably praying the TikTok ban holds.

Lol yes this is def good timing for her!

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

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Anonymous wrote:In my twenties my much older boss put his hand on my thigh. I felt awful but couldn’t say anything because I couldn’t risk my job and I had no self esteem or life skills (both parents were unemployed and non college educated). Texting a man to come to your office while pumping and then making an issue of whether he averted his eyes or whatever while you are famous and married to a billionaire is not harassment to me. I know what it’s like to feel degraded by a man at work and this just isn’t it.

The scenario makes no sense unless he was insisting they had to meet in person that second. I get that she could be rushing to nurse the baby and multitasking after finishing work. But why couldn’t they talk on the phone or her assistant take a message …? It takes like 15 minutes to nurse.

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious from the last few pages that a lot of people weighing in haven't even read both complaints or have not read them closely, or lack reading comprehension.

There are multiple allegations here, involving multiple people. There are incidents involving Baldoni entering Lively's trailer while she was nursing or pumping (she says inappropriately, he says invited). There is also an alleged incident involving Jaimie Heath speaking to Lively while she was topless in the makeup trailer. Lively claims she asked Heath to leave until she was done and he refused, so then she asked him to turn around and he did at first but then she still caught him looking at her. Baldoni's complaint confirms this happened but claims it was no big deal, that the meeting was happening because Lively wasn't otherwise available to meet, and says Lively joked about the incident later.

There are also numerous other allegations, including that Wayfarer pressured Lively into being fully nude in the birthing scene (this is not addressed in Baldoni's complaint), that the IC was not always present when intimate scenes were filmed (Baldoni denied and claims Lively refused to meet with the IC), and that Baldoni crossed boundaries both when filming scenes with Lively, and when directing intimate scenes involving the younger versions of their character (Baldoni denied and alleges additional facts that indicate Lively was difficult to work with and that she also improvised during intimate scenes).

There are also numerous allegations where the parties largely agree on what happened but interpret it very differently. Was Lively partially nude in the birth scene or fully clothed? Depends on whether you consider a pregnancy suit and some kind of covering over privates to constitute "fully clothed." Did Heath and Baldoni try to show Lively and others an inappropriate and intimate video of a naked woman, or did they appropriately suggest watching a tasteful birthing video as part of scene prep? It is open to interpretation. Did Lively use her husband and famous friend to bully/harass Baldoni regarding her creative input into the movie, or did she simply advocate for her input as appropriate for her role as star and executive producer? It depends on your interpretation.

All we have are competing claims. No one here knows what really happens. If you are asserting you do know, especially while conflating alleged incidents and getting even agreed upon facts wrong, you are full of it.

We are all presumably grown ups, and most of us are lawyers, who are capable of reading three complaints and making judgments as to whose claims are most credible. A fair number of us have decided his are, and it isn’t particularly close. YMMV, but your lectures aren’t changing anyone’s mind, especially when you are repeating the same points over and over.

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I also - non-lawyer here - am befuddled by people talking about BL’s day in court. The person who has been accused in JB, and his life looks to be destroyed. He’s 40 years old and there is a good chance he will never work in his chosen profession again. He is labeled by a large number of people as a harasser, an abuser, a misogynist. BL will live out a happy, extraordinarily privileged life and will continue to be a lifestyle influencer with still 40 million + followers.

If we should be chiding anyone about waiting to pass judgement until court, it’s the BL/antiJB supporters. I realize this is civil not criminal so the whole innocent until proven guilty thing isn’t the same, but I feel like it’s pretty uncertain what happened and hate to see someone destroyed until we really know. I look forward to the video evidence and seeing what the other cast and crew experienced.

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Anonymous wrote:I also - non-lawyer here - am befuddled by people talking about BL’s day in court. The person who has been accused in JB, and his life looks to be destroyed. He’s 40 years old and there is a good chance he will never work in his chosen profession again. He is labeled by a large number of people as a harasser, an abuser, a misogynist. BL will live out a happy, extraordinarily privileged life and will continue to be a lifestyle influencer with still 40 million + followers.

If we should be chiding anyone about waiting to pass judgement until court, it’s the BL/antiJB supporters. I realize this is civil not criminal so the whole innocent until proven guilty thing isn’t the same, but I feel like it’s pretty uncertain what happened and hate to see someone destroyed until we really know. I look forward to the video evidence and seeing what the other cast and crew experienced.

There are two different cases. Blake is s defendant in Justin's lawsuit.

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Also what is missing from the whole you art an anti-feminist if you don’t support Blake, is that Ryan Reynolds is a huge part of this whole thing. It actually just seems like a big D swinging contest for him.

He was not hired to do anything in this movie and yet his Deadpool editor does the final cut, he writes a scene, he represents lively in a meeting to sort this out, and he is involved in other random meetings in his apartment where his role seems to be be trying to influence Justin about the movie.

Obviously, Blake either let some of this happen or he is so controlling that it’s out of her control and if that I feel very sorry for her.

But the Blake and Ryan show is incredibly unprofessional and there’s no doubt that they created a shit show, and as someone said before, I’m not convinced that Justin wasn’t harassed. Not sexually harassed, but certainly bullied and harassed in some way. It sounds like his attempt to work on this movie was hell because of the two of them.

I’m sorry, Ryan Reynolds is not the feminist hero I need right now. I’m just not buying it.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy probably should have just refused to meet with her until she was fully clothed but then her narrative would be that he wasn’t accommodating her request as a new mother to multitask and how HARD it is to be a working mom and why do men make such a big deal over breastfeeding, she’s just trying to get work done while feeding her baby and how dare anybody sexualize or be in any way uncomfortable with that.

Yes. Take a look at the interview where the interviewer asks about the period costumes of the film she was in and she just goes off on some twisted "feminist" hissy fit to a completely appropriate question. I have no doubt she would have pulled this too. I don't think there's a way to win with her because she was ruling the set with an iron fist and seems to have a warped sense of reality and self importance.

I was over her ever since I saw how rude she was in that interview. She started speaking with the other movie star and they both ignored the interviewer. The interviewer was conversing with them in her non-native English, so I would think someone would give her the benefit of the doubt if a question was worded awkwardly.

Even so, I didn't think the question was worded awkwardly and Blake showed herself to be rude and not gracious.

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I am also a lawyer and I support Lively in these circumstances. And for that matter I am also a female lawyer who has been sexually harassed, discriminated against, or close to it (IT manager once gleefully showed me and my boss porn in my first job out of school before I became a lawyer (no repercussions, I excused myself and left); on campus interviewer took me out to drinks and basically propositioned me; went to a different firm and got shit work there while the male attys got depositions; had to avoid being in same room as notoriously handsy partner for two years; worked in group where rainmaking partner raped associate and still stayed at firm and had to report to him on several matters etc). I’m at a different firm now. Nobody needs to tell me what sexual harassment is but thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:In my twenties my much older boss put his hand on my thigh. I felt awful but couldn’t say anything because I couldn’t risk my job and I had no self esteem or life skills (both parents were unemployed and non college educated). Texting a man to come to your office while pumping and then making an issue of whether he averted his eyes or whatever while you are famous and married to a billionaire is not harassment to me. I know what it’s like to feel degraded by a man at work and this just isn’t it.

The scenario makes no sense unless he was insisting they had to meet in person that second. I get that she could be rushing to nurse the baby and multitasking after finishing work. But why couldn’t they talk on the phone or her assistant take a message …? It takes like 15 minutes to nurse.

This comment is a good example of people conflating incidents or not understanding what is at issue.

The incident you are talking about involved Heath talking to Lively in the makeup trailer while topless. She claims she asked if he would wait outside until she could put on a top, that he refused, so she asked him to turn around, but then she still caught him looking at her boobs even after she'd asked him both to leave or at least turn around.

Baldoni's complaint claims Lively was not topless during this incident but covered and either nursing or pumping (this is a disputed fact). He does not say Lively asked him to leave (disputed fact). He agrees that he at some point caught sight of Lively's exposed breasts (agreed fact), but says that later Lively joked about it and it seemed like no big deal (inconsistent interpretation).

The scenario "makes no sense" because there are two different sets of facts that cannot be reconciled and you don't have enough info to decide which is correct, if either.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

This is what kills me. Blake has done real harm to actual victims of sexual harassment. Everytime a women makes up sexual harassment claims it makes it less likely the real victims will be believed.

Agree.

No, all this will do is deter women from coming forward. That's the harm.

No that’s not the harm. This case has not convinced some that sh occurred. It’s not fair to throw out softly supported allegations and ruin a persons career like what is occurring. If more details surface that support sh, absolutely will support that stance. Just not seeing it. Some incidents seem unfortunate or even misconstrued/misunderstood, but not what I would call harassment.

It's not actually up to you and the social media mobs to sort this out.

You’re right. But then again why publish her story in many publications that people read, targeted to the rest of America/ the world if you didn’t want others to form opinions? Just so that ‘we would know?” You put it out there for us to comment on.