SWW Principal Removed - Reason Unknown

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

This is a very weird claim. Not everyone had a right to attend Walls, so test-in is fine, but everyone has a right to keep going there once admitted? Why? Why is that the specific line? I absolutely think a magnet should be able to enforce standards for attendees not hurt admittees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

Interesting how Banneker counsels out many many students every year but somehow that is considered ok. Very different standards are applied to Banneker and Walls. Walls is always in the crossfire but Banneker is left alone

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

This is a very weird claim. Not everyone had a right to attend Walls, so test-in is fine, but everyone has a right to keep going there once admitted? Why? Why is that the specific line? I absolutely think a magnet should be able to enforce standards for attendees not hurt admittees.

There is a standard- it’s maintaining a 3.0 GPA. 99% of Walls students maintain that GPA. So they are counseling out other kids as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

Interesting how Banneker counsels out many many students every year but somehow that is considered ok. Very different standards are applied to Banneker and Walls. Walls is always in the crossfire but Banneker is left alone

It’s not that it’s okay. It’s that white parents don’t monitor Banneker the way they monitor Walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

This is a very weird claim. Not everyone had a right to attend Walls, so test-in is fine, but everyone has a right to keep going there once admitted? Why? Why is that the specific line? I absolutely think a magnet should be able to enforce standards for attendees not hurt admittees.

Are you arguing that public schools don't have a responsibility to educate their students?

[Anonymous]

The difference is that schools are required by law to support students with IEPs according to that IEP. Deciding not to support these students is illegal and a crappy thing to do. Students with IEPs can succeed at Walls or Banneker with that support - due to them because of documented disabilities. My kid with straight As and 5s on every PARCC they ever took can handle the work with one hand tied behind their back. But it is much harder when the admin ties both hands and then throws theirs up in the air with a shrug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

This is a very weird claim. Not everyone had a right to attend Walls, so test-in is fine, but everyone has a right to keep going there once admitted? Why? Why is that the specific line? I absolutely think a magnet should be able to enforce standards for attendees not hurt admittees.

There is a standard- it’s maintaining a 3.0 GPA. 99% of Walls students maintain that GPA. So they are counseling out other kids as well.

If that’s true, then I wouldn’t defend them. They shouldn’t counsel out students who meet the published standards absence significant behavioral issues affecting other students negatively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

This is a very weird claim. Not everyone had a right to attend Walls, so test-in is fine, but everyone has a right to keep going there once admitted? Why? Why is that the specific line? I absolutely think a magnet should be able to enforce standards for attendees not hurt admittees.

Are you arguing that public schools don't have a responsibility to educate their students?

An unlimited responsibility that would stand in the way of counseling out students that don’t meet grade cut offs or behavior standards? No. DCPS obviously has that responsibility but not an individual selective school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The difference is that schools are required by law to support students with IEPs according to that IEP. Deciding not to support these students is illegal and a crappy thing to do. Students with IEPs can succeed at Walls or Banneker with that support - due to them because of documented disabilities. My kid with straight As and 5s on every PARCC they ever took can handle the work with one hand tied behind their back. But it is much harder when the admin ties both hands and then throws theirs up in the air with a shrug.

Serious question: What support did they not provide that your kid is entitled to under the IEP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

Got it. So no standards in any DCPS.

Exactly. It’s not a neighborhood school. It’s an application school with certain academic requirements needed.

If the kids can’t meet those requirements, go to their neighborhood school or play the lottery for a charter like everyone else who could not meet their standards to get in.

I don’t have any kids there, but it’s horrendous how low the academic standards are in DC to begin with and now let’s just ignore them and keep the kids in Walls who can’t hack it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

Got it. So no standards in any DCPS.

Exactly. It’s not a neighborhood school. It’s an application school with certain academic requirements needed.

If the kids can’t meet those requirements, go to their neighborhood school or play the lottery for a charter like everyone else who could not meet their standards to get in.

I don’t have any kids there, but it’s horrendous how low the academic standards are in DC to begin with and now let’s just ignore them and keep the kids in Walls who can’t hack it.

Again, the only academic requirement once you are admitted to Walls is maintaining a 3.0 GPA, which is quite easy given GPA bumps for Honors and AP classes and the overall low grading standards DCPS puts in place.

So this counseling out is not based on standards if it’s happening. And who do you think they are counseling out? Certainly not Johnny from upper NW whose parents are both lawyers. There is absolutely bias in who is not ‘academically prepared’ and ‘has poor behavior’. Get your head out of the sand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

This is a very weird claim. Not everyone had a right to attend Walls, so test-in is fine, but everyone has a right to keep going there once admitted? Why? Why is that the specific line? I absolutely think a magnet should be able to enforce standards for attendees not hurt admittees.

There is a standard- it’s maintaining a 3.0 GPA. 99% of Walls students maintain that GPA. So they are counseling out other kids as well.

If that’s true, then I wouldn’t defend them. They shouldn’t counsel out students who meet the published standards absence significant behavioral issues affecting other students negatively.

At the Deal SWW info session this week, I think they said you only needed to maintain a 2.0 GPA.

[Anonymous]

There is absolutely bias in who is not ‘academically prepared’ and ‘has poor behavior’. Get your head out of the sand.

Are you accusing Walls of bias and racism?

Because that's a big difference - very different than accusing them of holding kids to a high standard.

So what's your accusation? Be explicit. High standards? Or bias and racism?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean? Trogisch is the force that built both schools into what they are! Count on DCPS to hire a clueless, spineless syncophant who will effectively erode all of that.

That dude illegally discriminates against kids with disabilities. Good riddance to him. I have no doubt that he both engaged in termination-worthy insubordination and also has a long rap sheet of admission “irregularities.”

"counsel out" has become some sort of partisan talking point in these forums.

Does Harvard "counsel out" students when they get poor grades and they leave Harvard?
Does Walmart "counsel out" employees who have poor performance and get fired?
Do the American people "counsel out" politicians like Cory Gardner who do a terrible job and get voted out of office?

To have a top school, you have to have standards. We should account for disabilities, but ultimately personal responsibility matters. Attacking "Counsel out" just means you want "no standards".
Some schools have to have standards.

The problem with counseling students out is this is a public school charged with educating kids once they are admitted. So the standards for counseling out are quite subjective. And it often correlates with race and SES. This is not the same as a politician not doing their job or a Walmart employee not doing their job. These are minors who cannot control their home situations, how much money their families make or the middle school they attended.

This is a very weird claim. Not everyone had a right to attend Walls, so test-in is fine, but everyone has a right to keep going there once admitted? Why? Why is that the specific line? I absolutely think a magnet should be able to enforce standards for attendees not hurt admittees.

There is a standard- it’s maintaining a 3.0 GPA. 99% of Walls students maintain that GPA. So they are counseling out other kids as well.

If that’s true, then I wouldn’t defend them. They shouldn’t counsel out students who meet the published standards absence significant behavioral issues affecting other students negatively.

At the Deal SWW info session this week, I think they said you only needed to maintain a 2.0 GPA.

OMG seriously??? So the bar has been lowered even more from 3.0 as PP was saying to 2.0?

[Anonymous]

I don’t think they ever reqd a 3.0 to stay at SWW.