APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

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Dumb question, because I just started paying attention after that thread blew up on AEM -- why can the Latinx families living near Key not send their kids to a neighborhood school at Key if a walkable school with aftercare is important? Wouldn't Key still be there? Why is the immersion part so important? Plenty of other Latinx kids in Arlington don't go to immersion schools/would have one closer if it moved somewhere else. What am I missing?

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that's the Key map-- done by a white upper middle class Key parent who is active in the ACDC and considers herself very 'woke.' She lives in the Taylor district, but is much closer to Key than Taylor so is highly impacted by the change. Yes- she is on AEM screaming racism and lack of consideration of demographics but is extremely proud of her map that eliminates space for VPI classrooms, and screws Fleet and Drew.

Where can we find a copy of this map? Is it posted on AEM?

Can anyone share here?

https://imgur.com/a/NG3h5b7

That's a different map. There's also this one, submitted by McKinley in November, that would make Drew basically 110% FRL.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Suggested-Community-Alternative-Proposal-One.pdf

Why in the world did they carve out the affordable housing complexes and send them to Drew? Gilliam Place from Fleet to Drew? WTH are these people thinking?

They are thinking they want to walk to McKinley. That's it. Nothing else matters.

I understand that. But they have to have some reason for specifically carving Gilliam Place out when they are sending the rest of Alcova Heights to Fleet, right?

[Anonymous]

^^ Why CAN'T they go to Key as a neighborhood school, I meant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, because I just started paying attention after that thread blew up on AEM -- why can the Latinx families living near Key not send their kids to a neighborhood school at Key if a walkable school with aftercare is important? Wouldn't Key still be there? Why is the immersion part so important? Plenty of other Latinx kids in Arlington don't go to immersion schools/would have one closer if it moved somewhere else. What am I missing?

The achievement gap is much lower for immersion and studies show that Hispanic kids do better over their school career if they do immersion In elementary (just the messenger here)

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that's the Key map-- done by a white upper middle class Key parent who is active in the ACDC and considers herself very 'woke.' She lives in the Taylor district, but is much closer to Key than Taylor so is highly impacted by the change. Yes- she is on AEM screaming racism and lack of consideration of demographics but is extremely proud of her map that eliminates space for VPI classrooms, and screws Fleet and Drew.

Where can we find a copy of this map? Is it posted on AEM?

Can anyone share here?

https://imgur.com/a/NG3h5b7

Do you know what the super dark lines are for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, because I just started paying attention after that thread blew up on AEM -- why can the Latinx families living near Key not send their kids to a neighborhood school at Key if a walkable school with aftercare is important? Wouldn't Key still be there? Why is the immersion part so important? Plenty of other Latinx kids in Arlington don't go to immersion schools/would have one closer if it moved somewhere else. What am I missing?

Nothing. There is no reason. They are just using the Latinx kids as pawns because their actual issue (that the ATS building is worse for their commute) is not sympathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, because I just started paying attention after that thread blew up on AEM -- why can the Latinx families living near Key not send their kids to a neighborhood school at Key if a walkable school with aftercare is important? Wouldn't Key still be there? Why is the immersion part so important? Plenty of other Latinx kids in Arlington don't go to immersion schools/would have one closer if it moved somewhere else. What am I missing?

The achievement gap is much lower for immersion and studies show that Hispanic kids do better over their school career if they do immersion In elementary (just the messenger here)

OK, thanks

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, because I just started paying attention after that thread blew up on AEM -- why can the Latinx families living near Key not send their kids to a neighborhood school at Key if a walkable school with aftercare is important? Wouldn't Key still be there? Why is the immersion part so important? Plenty of other Latinx kids in Arlington don't go to immersion schools/would have one closer if it moved somewhere else. What am I missing?

The achievement gap is much lower for immersion and studies show that Hispanic kids do better over their school career if they do immersion In elementary (just the messenger here)

Regardless of the research, not all native-Spanish-speaking families want their kids in immersion. Some want them in an English-dominant school thinking it will get them up to speed faster. This was referenced in some meeting where staff mentioned they'd had conversations w/ Spanish-speaking families about why they don't apply to immersion (presumably they did that outreach because they can't fill the 50% native-Spanish quota) and the main answers were not believing it's better for their kids and wanting a school closer to home. Moving Key closer to the concentration of Spanish-speakers at least helps address the 2nd reason.

The Key pop's concern is that they will lose too many students if it moves because of families for whom proximity is more important than immersion. The concern seems overblown. Yes, they will likely lose some but will ideally pull in more in the lower grades so it would just be a few years of smaller upper grades. At the school board meeting, it sounded like staff was aware of the concern about retaining the immersion faculty and perhaps they could allow for smaller classes in order to keep staff on board during that adjustment period. They do need to be clearer about that.

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, because I just started paying attention after that thread blew up on AEM -- why can the Latinx families living near Key not send their kids to a neighborhood school at Key if a walkable school with aftercare is important? Wouldn't Key still be there? Why is the immersion part so important? Plenty of other Latinx kids in Arlington don't go to immersion schools/would have one closer if it moved somewhere else. What am I missing?

The achievement gap is much lower for immersion and studies show that Hispanic kids do better over their school career if they do immersion In elementary (just the messenger here)

Well, looking at the data now, there are six APS schools with the same or higher percentage of Hispanic kids than Key, several of which have higher free lunch percentages than Key. It seems like a tough argument to make -- I get that the kids at Key now may be disadvantaged relative to the status quo, but the people who are against the move are talking like they are being singled out because they are disadvantaged, which is hardly the case (there are plenty of other disadvantaged kids in Arlington, some of whom might benefit from this move....for example kids living near Barrett, which is close to ATS). I don't get how this is considered racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, because I just started paying attention after that thread blew up on AEM -- why can the Latinx families living near Key not send their kids to a neighborhood school at Key if a walkable school with aftercare is important? Wouldn't Key still be there? Why is the immersion part so important? Plenty of other Latinx kids in Arlington don't go to immersion schools/would have one closer if it moved somewhere else. What am I missing?

The achievement gap is much lower for immersion and studies show that Hispanic kids do better over their school career if they do immersion In elementary (just the messenger here)

Well, looking at the data now, there are six APS schools with the same or higher percentage of Hispanic kids than Key, several of which have higher free lunch percentages than Key. It seems like a tough argument to make -- I get that the kids at Key now may be disadvantaged relative to the status quo, but the people who are against the move are talking like they are being singled out because they are disadvantaged, which is hardly the case (there are plenty of other disadvantaged kids in Arlington, some of whom might benefit from this move....for example kids living near Barrett, which is close to ATS). I don't get how this is considered racist.

It's not. It's just the argument the Key people have settled on since it sounds less selfish than "this location works for me and my kids are more special than any others".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a family lives in an affordable housing complex it will be managed by AHC or APAH and have its own after school set up. I need to dig up the data on % use of extended day. The bus per am and pm usage alone shows the argument about walkers is either non existent or very very small.

Really? How does that work?

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Anonymous wrote:If a family lives in an affordable housing complex it will be managed by AHC or APAH and have its own after school set up. I need to dig up the data on % use of extended day. The bus per am and pm usage alone shows the argument about walkers is either non existent or very very small.

Really? How does that work?

There are after school programs run in the building— people volunteer to help the kids with homework, etc. I’m not sure, but I think it’s free, but only open to residents of the building. Volunteers or the program coordinators pick the kids up from their bus stop.
I know this is the case for Woodbury park and at least one other building run by ahc.

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Anonymous wrote:If a family lives in an affordable housing complex it will be managed by AHC or APAH and have its own after school set up. I need to dig up the data on % use of extended day. The bus per am and pm usage alone shows the argument about walkers is either non existent or very very small.

Really? How does that work?

"The property also provides an extensive array of onsite programs for residents, including AHC’s year-round Resident Services’ education programs with After-School, Teen Tutoring and Summer Camp opportunities for youth."

https://www.ahcinc.org/woodbury-park-completes-historic-renovation/

https://www.ahcinc.org/documents/3-foldbrochureforResidentServices.pdf

https://www.ahcinc.org/get-involved/volunteers/

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that's the Key map-- done by a white upper middle class Key parent who is active in the ACDC and considers herself very 'woke.' She lives in the Taylor district, but is much closer to Key than Taylor so is highly impacted by the change. Yes- she is on AEM screaming racism and lack of consideration of demographics but is extremely proud of her map that eliminates space for VPI classrooms, and screws Fleet and Drew.


Where can we find a copy of this map? Is it posted on AEM?

Can anyone share here?


https://imgur.com/a/NG3h5b7


That's a different map. There's also this one, submitted by McKinley in November, that would make Drew basically 110% FRL.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Su...y-Alternative-Proposal-One.pdf


Why in the world did they carve out the affordable housing complexes and send them to Drew? Gilliam Place from Fleet to Drew? WTH are these people thinking?


They are thinking they want to walk to McKinley. That's it. Nothing else matters.


I understand that. But they have to have some reason for specifically carving Gilliam Place out when they are sending the rest of Alcova Heights to Fleet, right?

My best guess - and this is probably giving them too much credit in terms of thinking ahead, is that it keeps Fleet relatively low FRL and with some empty space to allow more of Lyon Village to move there if needed because of population growth in Rosslyn corridor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

that's the Key map-- done by a white upper middle class Key parent who is active in the ACDC and considers herself very 'woke.' She lives in the Taylor district, but is much closer to Key than Taylor so is highly impacted by the change. Yes- she is on AEM screaming racism and lack of consideration of demographics but is extremely proud of her map that eliminates space for VPI classrooms, and screws Fleet and Drew.


Where can we find a copy of this map? Is it posted on AEM?

Can anyone share here?


https://imgur.com/a/NG3h5b7


That's a different map. There's also this one, submitted by McKinley in November, that would make Drew basically 110% FRL.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Su...y-Alternative-Proposal-One.pdf


Why in the world did they carve out the affordable housing complexes and send them to Drew? Gilliam Place from Fleet to Drew? WTH are these people thinking?


They are thinking they want to walk to McKinley. That's it. Nothing else matters.


I understand that. But they have to have some reason for specifically carving Gilliam Place out when they are sending the rest of Alcova Heights to Fleet, right?

My best guess - and this is probably giving them too much credit in terms of thinking ahead, is that it keeps Fleet relatively low FRL and with some empty space to allow more of Lyon Village to move there if needed because of population growth in Rosslyn corridor?

Thanks. It just looks crazy racist and classist. Like, Trump wouldn’t even propose something like this.