Montgomery County zoning: Council wants to change zoning throughout the county to multi-family

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/council-passes-accessory-apartment-zoning-change/

It passed. PP, you got what you wanted. Bring on the accessory apartments!

Passed unanimously!

Hooray!

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

How did you get them out?? Any tips? Do you have an HOA?

We are fighting two of them on our street and the County has been unable to do much.

We have pictures of the three families that live there. Pictures of the 6 vehicles lining the street. Proof that the owner lives elsewhere. And no rental license. What else can we do??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

You’d be surprised! I live in a neighborhood that’s about 15 mins away from Metro and we have a home that runs an AirBnB. If there is money to be made, people will make it

[Anonymous]

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The investor in our neighborhood who was renting out the sfh house to two families, will now be able to "invest" in a legal ADU and stick a third family in the backyard. Yay?

No, the investor won't. Not unless the investor throws out the current renters of the house and moves into it themself. To build a legal detached ADU, you yourself have to live in the main house.

Except that is practically impossible to prove. Especially in MoCo, where officials are not allowed to ask for anything that might be construed as ‘proof of citizenship’.

This is why it’s become so widespread. Impossible to enforce the rules that are already in place. So many of these homes are not owner-occupied. Yet, the ADUs continue to thrive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

You’d be surprised! I live in a neighborhood that’s about 15 mins away from Metro and we have a home that runs an AirBnB. If there is money to be made, people will make it

But that is the question. IS there money to be made? How many neighborhoods with single-family-detached houses under $550,000 are there within a 15-minute drive from Metro? And if there's demand for an AirBnB there, wouldn't there also be demand for a legal ADU (detached or in the basement) for someone to live in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The investor in our neighborhood who was renting out the sfh house to two families, will now be able to "invest" in a legal ADU and stick a third family in the backyard. Yay?

No, the investor won't. Not unless the investor throws out the current renters of the house and moves into it themself. To build a legal detached ADU, you yourself have to live in the main house.

Except that is practically impossible to prove. Especially in MoCo, where officials are not allowed to ask for anything that might be construed as ‘proof of citizenship’.

This is why it’s become so widespread. Impossible to enforce the rules that are already in place. So many of these homes are not owner-occupied. Yet, the ADUs continue to thrive.

It's actually very easy to prove: Is it your principal residence in the state property tax records, or not?

Citizenship has nothing to do with it. You don't have to be a citizen to own property or reside at an address.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How did you get them out?? Any tips? Do you have an HOA?

We are fighting two of them on our street and the County has been unable to do much.

We have pictures of the three families that live there. Pictures of the 6 vehicles lining the street. Proof that the owner lives elsewhere. And no rental license. What else can we do??

What have you done already?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

Yup, I have a house with a big backyard less than 10 minutes from the FH metro stop. I could make a ton of $ renting it out on air b'nb for 4th of July and cherry blossom season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

Yup, I have a house with a big backyard less than 10 minutes from the FH metro stop. I could make a ton of $ renting it out on air b'nb for 4th of July and cherry blossom season.

The Forest Glen metro station? 10 minutes driving or walking?

Anyway, if you could make a ton of money renting it out for the 4th of July and Cherry Blossom season (not sure how you know that, but ok), then you should do that, if you want to, I guess? What are you going to do for the rest of the year, though? Seems like an actual year-round tenant would work out better, financially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/council-passes-accessory-apartment-zoning-change/

It passed. PP, you got what you wanted. Bring on the accessory apartments!

Passed unanimously!

Hooray!

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

How did you get them out?? Any tips? Do you have an HOA?

We are fighting two of them on our street and the County has been unable to do much.

We have pictures of the three families that live there. Pictures of the 6 vehicles lining the street. Proof that the owner lives elsewhere. And no rental license. What else can we do??

Unfortunately, we didn't do much of anything that made a difference. House prices rose enough in our neighborhood to encourage the owners to sell to a single family.

Prices are still under 500k, but it was enough to make renting to multiple families who were trashing the house less appealing. So happy all those cars blocking half the road to our neighborhood are gone!

Anyone else have any advice for the pp?
How do you report these violations when you have evidence? Will anything be done?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

Yup, I have a house with a big backyard less than 10 minutes from the FH metro stop. I could make a ton of $ renting it out on air b'nb for 4th of July and cherry blossom season.

The Forest Glen metro station? 10 minutes driving or walking?

Anyway, if you could make a ton of money renting it out for the 4th of July and Cherry Blossom season (not sure how you know that, but ok), then you should do that, if you want to, I guess? What are you going to do for the rest of the year, though? Seems like an actual year-round tenant would work out better, financially.

FH=Friendship Heights. Do you even live in MoCo?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

Yup, I have a house with a big backyard less than 10 minutes from the FH metro stop. I could make a ton of $ renting it out on air b'nb for 4th of July and cherry blossom season.

The Forest Glen metro station? 10 minutes driving or walking?

Anyway, if you could make a ton of money renting it out for the 4th of July and Cherry Blossom season (not sure how you know that, but ok), then you should do that, if you want to, I guess? What are you going to do for the rest of the year, though? Seems like an actual year-round tenant would work out better, financially.

FH=Friendship Heights. Do you even live in MoCo?

Are there many single-family-detached houses with big backyards, within 10 minutes' drive of Friendship Heights, that sell for under $550,000?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

Yup, I have a house with a big backyard less than 10 minutes from the FH metro stop. I could make a ton of $ renting it out on air b'nb for 4th of July and cherry blossom season.

The Forest Glen metro station? 10 minutes driving or walking?

Anyway, if you could make a ton of money renting it out for the 4th of July and Cherry Blossom season (not sure how you know that, but ok), then you should do that, if you want to, I guess? What are you going to do for the rest of the year, though? Seems like an actual year-round tenant would work out better, financially.

FH=Friendship Heights. Do you even live in MoCo?

Are there many single-family-detached houses with big backyards, within 10 minutes' drive of Friendship Heights, that sell for under $550,000?

Is this thread restricted only to people who have homes under $550K?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.

I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?

Yup, I have a house with a big backyard less than 10 minutes from the FH metro stop. I could make a ton of $ renting it out on air b'nb for 4th of July and cherry blossom season.

The Forest Glen metro station? 10 minutes driving or walking?

Anyway, if you could make a ton of money renting it out for the 4th of July and Cherry Blossom season (not sure how you know that, but ok), then you should do that, if you want to, I guess? What are you going to do for the rest of the year, though? Seems like an actual year-round tenant would work out better, financially.

FH=Friendship Heights. Do you even live in MoCo?

Are there many single-family-detached houses with big backyards, within 10 minutes' drive of Friendship Heights, that sell for under $550,000?

Is this thread restricted only to people who have homes under $550K?

See the top post. I bolded it for you.

[Anonymous]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/affluent-liberals-in-washington-dc-suburb-resort-to-racial-and-economic-stereotypes-to-protest-affordable-housing-proposal

This is making national news. Here they point out the irony of a solidly blue district being against affordable housing in their neighborhoods...

[Anonymous]

I don’t want “affordable” housing in my neighborhood. I want my neighborhood to be a place relatively few can afford.