Montgomery County zoning: Council wants to change zoning throughout the county to multi-family

[Anonymous]

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

[Anonymous]

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.

Yes. They do. They might move to DC for a few months but then they realize they hate the city and move to the burbs. Especially when they are from Johnstown, PA or Winchester, MD.

Of course all you know are kids from Potomac and Bethesda with parents paying their rent.

But no, that is not the majority of the world. Young college graduates can't find jobs close to home, get stuck in MoCo/Fairfax/DC with their cool new job. But they don't like cities, driving in the city, rats, no parking... they hate it.

They use to live in group homes but now that is frowned upon. They would rather rent a room in a basement with a private entrance or an in-law suite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.

Well, they don't all, of course. But some do. Especially if their jobs are in Montgomery County (for example, Bethesda, Silver Spring, or Rockville). And you know what would get more young professionals to live in Montgomery County? More housing options. For example, ADUs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.


Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.


Well, they don't all, of course. But some do. Especially if their jobs are in Montgomery County (for example, Bethesda, Silver Spring, or Rockville). And you know what would get more young professionals to live in Montgomery County? More housing options. For example, ADUs.

Oh good grief. This is why MoCo is such a financial disaster in a boom economy. Young college grads are not going to live in your granny flats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.

Well, they don't all, of course. But some do. Especially if their jobs are in Montgomery County (for example, Bethesda, Silver Spring, or Rockville). And you know what would get more young professionals to live in Montgomery County? More housing options. For example, ADUs.

There are 140,000 millennials in DC, 180,000 in MoCo.

Many more restaurant server jobs in DC, more professional jobs in MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.


Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.


Well, they don't all, of course. But some do. Especially if their jobs are in Montgomery County (for example, Bethesda, Silver Spring, or Rockville). And you know what would get more young professionals to live in Montgomery County? More housing options. For example, ADUs.

Oh good grief. This is why MoCo is such a financial disaster in a boom economy. Young college grads are not going to live in your granny flats.

Well. They already do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.

As a 30-something DINK household, I moved from DC to a North Bethesda apartment. I wanted more space than I could afford to rent or buy anywhere in DC within a reasonable commute of my Bethesda-based job and my spouse’s DC-based job. Years later, a DINK professional couple we know is renting the same apartment we once enjoyed.

The zoning change isn’t just about ADU’s though. It’s about adding to the total number of housing units. If some people are living in the ADU’s, then it stands to reason that they are not occupying rental units in high rises that others may find desirable.

But if you’ve spent any time talking to people who rent, you’d find plenty of folks who’ve lived in English basements, apartments over garages, duplexes, and triplexes, and found them comfortable. When you’ve been in these small buildings on small plots of land, a “granny flat” doesn’t seem crazy at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.

As a 30-something DINK household, I moved from DC to a North Bethesda apartment. I wanted more space than I could afford to rent or buy anywhere in DC within a reasonable commute of my Bethesda-based job and my spouse’s DC-based job. Years later, a DINK professional couple we know is renting the same apartment we once enjoyed.

The zoning change isn’t just about ADU’s though. It’s about adding to the total number of housing units. If some people are living in the ADU’s, then it stands to reason that they are not occupying rental units in high rises that others may find desirable.

But if you’ve spent any time talking to people who rent, you’d find plenty of folks who’ve lived in English basements, apartments over garages, duplexes, and triplexes, and found them comfortable. When you’ve been in these small buildings on small plots of land, a “granny flat” doesn’t seem crazy at all.

I think that part of the problem is that the ADUs-will-destroy-everything people actually don't spend any time talking to young professionals who rent.

[Anonymous]

Update?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why does everybody think this is about illegals. Young professionals are looking for affordable housing and can't find it. Most rentals will be young single professionals that need a place to live.

Young professionals do not want to live in Montgomery County let alone live in an ADU. They want to be closer to their jobs. They are flocking to DC and NOVA. With the exception of the 20 something humane society worker who is destined to own 10 cats in her later years, I don't see any young professionals seeking chomping at the but for an ADU rental in MD.

As a 30-something DINK household, I moved from DC to a North Bethesda apartment. I wanted more space than I could afford to rent or buy anywhere in DC within a reasonable commute of my Bethesda-based job and my spouse’s DC-based job. Years later, a DINK professional couple we know is renting the same apartment we once enjoyed.

The zoning change isn’t just about ADU’s though. It’s about adding to the total number of housing units. If some people are living in the ADU’s, then it stands to reason that they are not occupying rental units in high rises that others may find desirable.

But if you’ve spent any time talking to people who rent, you’d find plenty of folks who’ve lived in English basements, apartments over garages, duplexes, and triplexes, and found them comfortable. When you’ve been in these small buildings on small plots of land, a “granny flat” doesn’t seem crazy at all.

The issue is that everybody feels entitled to live in whatever area is considered desirable, whether GT, Bethesda, TP, etc. Guess what. You can't. If you work in govt or for a NP, you may not be making enough money. Welcome to the real world. Moreover, there are plenty of condos in SS and FH at decent prizes. Yes, they are small. But condos on Park Avenue in NYC are small too. The real Metro was designed and built was so people could live farther out and still commute to DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update?

The Council staff found that the plan is racist and it's going to die a slow death.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many people on here complaining about ADUs have more than one child? Where do you think your kids and their families are going to live if there’s not enough housing?

[Anonymous]

It's amazing to me that the council wants to just take a pause and look at the Thrive plan through the lens of equity (something all the Thrive people I'm sure love for all other plans) but when it may delay their Thrive plans slightly, they get up in arms that this is the wrong course of action.

Since this is the master plan for the community for the next 30 ish years, what is the harm in taking a long look at the ramifications? Oh yeah- they know why. They want to ram it through.

Most of the plans major proponents are themselves in the real estate or development business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many people on here complaining about ADUs have more than one child? Where do you think your kids and their families are going to live if there’s not enough housing?

I'm all for ADUs, but how many have actually been built or licensed in MoCo since they were legalized? People tell me they're not serious about increasing housing supply as soon as they start talking about ADUs. We need much bigger solutions, and some of those solutions need to make the big corporate landlords who are controlling supply uncomfortable.