Montgomery County zoning: Council wants to change zoning throughout the county to multi-family

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DP

I don't think it's 'real estate developers' who are behind this. It's the real estate investors. They want to make as much money as possible on the property they own. We see this already when the investors come into the neighborhood and build a gargantuan second story on the home so that they can rent it out to 4 families instead of just 2. Regardless of how much room there is for parking, and regardless of how many kids will be now attending the already overcrowded schools.


The real estate investors, meaning the people who are so concerned about the effect this will have on their property values?

The proposed change to the ADU regulations only applies to people who live on the property they add the ADU to. People in the county who own single-family-detached houses they don't live in, and who are illegally renting them to multiple families, won't benefit from the change. So why would they be pushing for it?


No, not homeowners. The homeowners are the ones who are concerned with the effect this will have on their property values. Homeowners probably don't want the additional overcrowding, and degradation of their neighborhoods.

I mean the investors who purchase these homes and illegally rent them out. They will happily build an additional ADU to rent out in the backyard. They already have 4 families living in their rental homes. Now, they can have 6. Which means even more income. They can use the land they purchased to rent to even to MORE people illegally. Currently, it's somewhat difficult to do so.
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No, not homeowners. The homeowners are the ones who are concerned with the effect this will have on their property values. Homeowners probably don't want the additional overcrowding, and degradation of their neighborhoods.

I mean the investors who purchase these homes and illegally rent them out. They will happily build an additional ADU to rent out in the backyard. They already have 4 families living in their rental homes. Now, they can have 6. Which means even more income. They can use the land they purchased to rent to even to MORE people illegally. Currently, it's somewhat difficult to do so.


So homeowners aren't investing in their property? I keep reading about how a homeowner's property is their greatest investment, which makes it perfectly reasonable - indeed, justified - for a homeowner to view a policy's effect on their property values as the most single important thing about the policy.

As for people who are already renting out properties illegally, what do you think they're thinking? "I'm already violating these regulations, so I'm going to push for a new regulation for me to violate!" That doesn't make sense.
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Anonymous wrote:This is the note I received from our neighborhood association, which I thought was extremely useful.

On Monday, the County Council will hold a second work session on a change to the zoning code that would significantly alter the rules and requirements for accessory dwelling units (ADUs), also known as accessory apartments and granny flats. This is a complicated zoning change but here is a summary of what’s involved, as the Council has been working on it in terms of what it would mean to our neighborhood:

Where can detached ADUs (structures separate from the main house) be and how large can they be?
Currently a detached ADU cannot be built on a property of less than an acre, which effectively prohibits them from our neighborhood as none of our lots are that large. This zoning change would allow them everywhere, regardless of lot size. Proposed limits are the least of the following - 10% of lot size, 50% of the gross floor area of the principal residence, or 1200 square feet. Two amendments have so far been proposed - one that would change 50% of gross floor area to 50% of the footprint of the principal dwelling (example: if your house has a footprint of 1000 square feet but 3 floors, 50% of the footprint would be 500 square feet, but 50% of the gross floor area would be 1500 square feet); and one that would limit the maximum size of a detached ADU to 800 square feet rather than 1200 square feet.

How far away must they be from the property lot line?
This is a little complicated. New detached ADUs must have the same setbacks (distance from lot line) as the principal residence. In our neighborhood, that is usually 12’ in the rear and 8’ on each side or combined side of 18’.. Height is limited to 20 feet in our R-60 zone. An amendment will be offered requiring a 6’ fence for any newly constructed detached ADU in this zone and the next larger zone, R-90.

However, if you have an accessory structure - a shed or garage - that was legally constructed before May 31, 2012 (that is, it met the accessory structure setbacks required at the time it was built) it may be converted even if those setbacks would not be legal today, as long as the structure is not expanded up or out. Generally such setbacks are 5’ each rear and side, but sometimes they are less. I think we have a few of these. This may raise issues around privacy, sound, and light.

Another related concern is the setback standard for prefab detached ADUs. These can be as long as 32’. Current law is that any building longer than 24’ must have one additional foot of setback for each foot of length beyond 24’. The PHED committee recommends exempting ADUs up to 32’ from this requirement. For the normative rectangular R-60 lot, with frontage of 60’ and a depth of 100’, this would meet the current setback requirements for an accessory ADU - but in older neighborhoods like ours, there are many lots that have less than 60’ street frontage and at least a few that are smaller than 6000 square feet, grandfathered when the code was first adopted. This may be a problem for some properties and neighbors. In addition, as I understand it the larger prefabs need to be put in place by crane, which may be problematic for neighbors.

What about parking requirements? Right now all ADUs, internal or detached, are required to have one on-site parking space beyond those required for the principal residence, or adequate street parking within a radius of 300’. If the licensing agency, the Department of Housing and Community Affairs, determines that this cannot be met either way, the license for the ADU may be denied. The applicant has the right to apply for a waiver. Similarly, if a license is granted but neighbor(s) believe the on-street parking within that radius is not adequate, the neighbor(s) can appeal and object to the license. In either case, the dispute is heard by a hearing examiner and opinion usually rendered within three weeks. The loser can then pursue this through the courts, although to date there have not been many waiver requests and to my knowledge none moving to the judicial system.

The proposed change would eliminate both the parking and distance requirements in all neighborhoods within 1 mile of metro and purple line stations. That covers all of our neighborhood. There will be an amendment offered to reduce this to 1/2 mile, consistent with other situations involving “transit proximity.”

For most of our streets, the 1-mile walkshed would very likely cause problems. At one point there was consideration of an objective standard for eliminating the parking requirement and waiver process, using 36’ curb to curb as the standard. Most of our streets are 24’ wide or less, with parking on only one side and effectively 1.5 travel lanes. Available parking area is further reduced by driveways, fire hydrants, and intersections, and the mandated distance a vehicle must park from them. The half-mile proposal will reduce this somewhat, but we may still have affected streets.

What environmental issues are involved?
This can get somewhat complicated so I’ll keep it as simple as possible. ADUs will add to impervious surface, loss of tree canopy, and storm water management/sedimentation issues, especially if the changes in precipitation that we’ve experienced recently continue.. Some argue that this is true when additions are placed on existing houses, or when a house is torn down and a new larger house built. This is true, but additions and new houses are subject to more requirements around stormwater/sedimentation than ADUs, in particular detached ADUs, are. An ADU may be only 400 square feet, but a 1200 square foot ADU could easily be a 3-bedroom house. Many people following this believe this aspect needs a lot more attention.

Will ADUs provide affordable housing?
This is an argument often used, and ADUs can do this, but not if this proposal goes through as envisioned. There are no rent controls, no incentives for property owners to offer affordable rents, and no prohibition on converting an ADU after as little as one year to a short-term rental. This last point is important because short-term rentals (like Airbnb) are more lucrative than ADUs and therefore remove potential affordable housing from the market. They also potentially have a different effect on the neighborhood where they’re located, especially if provisions to control the number of ADUs are eliminated - that 300’ distance for parking is also the currently required distance between ADUs.

As I noted above, a 1200 square foot ADU can easily be a 3-bedroom house. ADUs are limited to 2 adults but no limit on children, which means there is the possibility that a significant increase in ADUs could affect school capacity - already an issue at our local elementary school, and a looming issue at BCC. A number of residents who have been involved in zoning and land use policy have proposed that the county adopt a regime similar to Portland, OR, where various required fees for new residences are waived if the ADU owner signs a covenant agreeing to charge affordable rent for 10 years; if the covenant is broken, the owner is liable for 150% of the waived fees. This grew directly from ADU conversions to short-term rentals. Under this proposal new ADUs would be subject to school and transportation impact fees, and possibly others, that could be avoided by agreeing to terms similar to Portland’s.

Why are these changes needed?
Proponents argue the proposal will increase affordable housing, provide housing for relatives/caregivers/disabled individuals, provide income streams for seniors and others who otherwise could not stay in their homes, and allow people who otherwise could not afford to live in a desirable area to do so. However, since 2012 the requirements and processes to build an ADU have been loosened considerably, yet the number of legal accessory units has fallen by half. At the same time county enforcement efforts on both illegal ADUs and illegal short-term rentals have, in many neighborhoods (not ours), been unsatisfactory. The county’s department of health and human services has 200 licensed short-term rentals on its roster; it hired an outside consultant to scrape Airbnb and other listings and found 1600 - that would include 1400 illegal ones.

These is a very simple summary. As you probably can tell, I believe there are some significant problems with this proposal, largely because it is not well thought out or cohesive but also because some aspects are problematic for older neighborhoods (as an aside - there are several municipalities that would be exempt from this, and all housing developments built from about 1980 on are required to have homeowners association, whose covenants may not allow ADUS). If you have an opinion, you might want to share it with the council by writing to county.council@montgomerycountymd.gov. You need to note that you are writing about ZTA 19-01 and get your email in ASAP. If you are interested, send me your email address and I can provide you with the two letter sent by about 30 active residents from around the county, which have considerably more detail.



Wow

Thank you for posting. I hope people read this and consider what can and will happen.

You’re already supposed to put up a notice in my neighborhood if you are planning to build an accessory apartment but that rarely (I’d ever ) happens. And the County certainly doesn’t fine the landlord when this is violated.


Yup, this is an awesome post. Thanks 22:51.


Bumping this up for those who would like to learn the details of this proposal.


+1


Another bump in case this post got lost in the nonsense.
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Anonymous wrote:Democrats destroying themselves. Fun times.


Are you nuts? This will cause property values to skyrocket.



Are you fruits? This will cause a major flight from MoCo to Northern Virginia.


You're going to move to Northern Virginia if Montgomery County law allows your neighbor to have a legal apartment in their basement? Seems like an overreaction to me, but you do you.


No brainer in my mind. Or DC. MC is already the highest taxed jurisdiction in the area. No reason to live in MC. Governed by idiots. FYI. I am a lifetime Democrat.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats destroying themselves. Fun times.


Are you nuts? This will cause property values to skyrocket.



Are you fruits? This will cause a major flight from MoCo to Northern Virginia.


You're going to move to Northern Virginia if Montgomery County law allows your neighbor to have a legal apartment in their basement? Seems like an overreaction to me, but you do you.


No brainer in my mind. Or DC. MC is already the highest taxed jurisdiction in the area. No reason to live in MC. Governed by idiots. FYI. I am a lifetime Democrat.


OK. Then you do that.
Anonymous
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/council-passes-accessory-apartment-zoning-change/

It passed. PP, you got what you wanted. Bring on the accessory apartments!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/council-passes-accessory-apartment-zoning-change/

It passed. PP, you got what you wanted. Bring on the accessory apartments!


Passed unanimously!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats destroying themselves. Fun times.


Are you nuts? This will cause property values to skyrocket.



Are you fruits? This will cause a major flight from MoCo to Northern Virginia.


You're going to move to Northern Virginia if Montgomery County law allows your neighbor to have a legal apartment in their basement? Seems like an overreaction to me, but you do you.


No brainer in my mind. Or DC. MC is already the highest taxed jurisdiction in the area. No reason to live in MC. Governed by idiots. FYI. I am a lifetime Democrat.


You may be in for a disappointment

https://www.arlnow.com/2019/05/20/county-board-paves-way-for-more-accessary-dwellings-units/


https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2019/05/15/fairfax-county-to-drop-servants-quarters-and-more-in-zoning-modernization-process/

Alexandria is almost certainly going to be considering something similar.


Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/council-passes-accessory-apartment-zoning-change/

It passed. PP, you got what you wanted. Bring on the accessory apartments!


Passed unanimously!


Hooray!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/council-passes-accessory-apartment-zoning-change/

It passed. PP, you got what you wanted. Bring on the accessory apartments!


Passed unanimously!


Hooray!


Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.
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No, not homeowners. The homeowners are the ones who are concerned with the effect this will have on their property values. Homeowners probably don't want the additional overcrowding, and degradation of their neighborhoods.

I mean the investors who purchase these homes and illegally rent them out. They will happily build an additional ADU to rent out in the backyard. They already have 4 families living in their rental homes. Now, they can have 6. Which means even more income. They can use the land they purchased to rent to even to MORE people illegally. Currently, it's somewhat difficult to do so.


So homeowners aren't investing in their property? I keep reading about how a homeowner's property is their greatest investment, which makes it perfectly reasonable - indeed, justified - for a homeowner to view a policy's effect on their property values as the most single important thing about the policy.

As for people who are already renting out properties illegally, what do you think they're thinking? "I'm already violating these regulations, so I'm going to push for a new regulation for me to violate!" That doesn't make sense.


The investor in our neighborhood who was renting out the sfh house to two families, will now be able to "invest" in a legal ADU and stick a third family in the backyard. Yay?
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The investor in our neighborhood who was renting out the sfh house to two families, will now be able to "invest" in a legal ADU and stick a third family in the backyard. Yay?


No, the investor won't. Not unless the investor throws out the current renters of the house and moves into it themself. To build a legal detached ADU, you yourself have to live in the main house.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the note I received from our neighborhood association, which I thought was extremely useful.

On Monday, the County Council will hold a second work session on a change to the zoning code that would significantly alter the rules and requirements for accessory dwelling units (ADUs), also known as accessory apartments and granny flats. This is a complicated zoning change but here is a summary of what’s involved, as the Council has been working on it in terms of what it would mean to our neighborhood:

Where can detached ADUs (structures separate from the main house) be and how large can they be?
Currently a detached ADU cannot be built on a property of less than an acre, which effectively prohibits them from our neighborhood as none of our lots are that large. This zoning change would allow them everywhere, regardless of lot size. Proposed limits are the least of the following - 10% of lot size, 50% of the gross floor area of the principal residence, or 1200 square feet. Two amendments have so far been proposed - one that would change 50% of gross floor area to 50% of the footprint of the principal dwelling (example: if your house has a footprint of 1000 square feet but 3 floors, 50% of the footprint would be 500 square feet, but 50% of the gross floor area would be 1500 square feet); and one that would limit the maximum size of a detached ADU to 800 square feet rather than 1200 square feet.

How far away must they be from the property lot line?
This is a little complicated. New detached ADUs must have the same setbacks (distance from lot line) as the principal residence. In our neighborhood, that is usually 12’ in the rear and 8’ on each side or combined side of 18’.. Height is limited to 20 feet in our R-60 zone. An amendment will be offered requiring a 6’ fence for any newly constructed detached ADU in this zone and the next larger zone, R-90.

However, if you have an accessory structure - a shed or garage - that was legally constructed before May 31, 2012 (that is, it met the accessory structure setbacks required at the time it was built) it may be converted even if those setbacks would not be legal today, as long as the structure is not expanded up or out. Generally such setbacks are 5’ each rear and side, but sometimes they are less. I think we have a few of these. This may raise issues around privacy, sound, and light.

Another related concern is the setback standard for prefab detached ADUs. These can be as long as 32’. Current law is that any building longer than 24’ must have one additional foot of setback for each foot of length beyond 24’. The PHED committee recommends exempting ADUs up to 32’ from this requirement. For the normative rectangular R-60 lot, with frontage of 60’ and a depth of 100’, this would meet the current setback requirements for an accessory ADU - but in older neighborhoods like ours, there are many lots that have less than 60’ street frontage and at least a few that are smaller than 6000 square feet, grandfathered when the code was first adopted. This may be a problem for some properties and neighbors. In addition, as I understand it the larger prefabs need to be put in place by crane, which may be problematic for neighbors.

What about parking requirements? Right now all ADUs, internal or detached, are required to have one on-site parking space beyond those required for the principal residence, or adequate street parking within a radius of 300’. If the licensing agency, the Department of Housing and Community Affairs, determines that this cannot be met either way, the license for the ADU may be denied. The applicant has the right to apply for a waiver. Similarly, if a license is granted but neighbor(s) believe the on-street parking within that radius is not adequate, the neighbor(s) can appeal and object to the license. In either case, the dispute is heard by a hearing examiner and opinion usually rendered within three weeks. The loser can then pursue this through the courts, although to date there have not been many waiver requests and to my knowledge none moving to the judicial system.

The proposed change would eliminate both the parking and distance requirements in all neighborhoods within 1 mile of metro and purple line stations. That covers all of our neighborhood. There will be an amendment offered to reduce this to 1/2 mile, consistent with other situations involving “transit proximity.”

For most of our streets, the 1-mile walkshed would very likely cause problems. At one point there was consideration of an objective standard for eliminating the parking requirement and waiver process, using 36’ curb to curb as the standard. Most of our streets are 24’ wide or less, with parking on only one side and effectively 1.5 travel lanes. Available parking area is further reduced by driveways, fire hydrants, and intersections, and the mandated distance a vehicle must park from them. The half-mile proposal will reduce this somewhat, but we may still have affected streets.

What environmental issues are involved?
This can get somewhat complicated so I’ll keep it as simple as possible. ADUs will add to impervious surface, loss of tree canopy, and storm water management/sedimentation issues, especially if the changes in precipitation that we’ve experienced recently continue.. Some argue that this is true when additions are placed on existing houses, or when a house is torn down and a new larger house built. This is true, but additions and new houses are subject to more requirements around stormwater/sedimentation than ADUs, in particular detached ADUs, are. An ADU may be only 400 square feet, but a 1200 square foot ADU could easily be a 3-bedroom house. Many people following this believe this aspect needs a lot more attention.

Will ADUs provide affordable housing?
This is an argument often used, and ADUs can do this, but not if this proposal goes through as envisioned. There are no rent controls, no incentives for property owners to offer affordable rents, and no prohibition on converting an ADU after as little as one year to a short-term rental. This last point is important because short-term rentals (like Airbnb) are more lucrative than ADUs and therefore remove potential affordable housing from the market. They also potentially have a different effect on the neighborhood where they’re located, especially if provisions to control the number of ADUs are eliminated - that 300’ distance for parking is also the currently required distance between ADUs.

As I noted above, a 1200 square foot ADU can easily be a 3-bedroom house. ADUs are limited to 2 adults but no limit on children, which means there is the possibility that a significant increase in ADUs could affect school capacity - already an issue at our local elementary school, and a looming issue at BCC. A number of residents who have been involved in zoning and land use policy have proposed that the county adopt a regime similar to Portland, OR, where various required fees for new residences are waived if the ADU owner signs a covenant agreeing to charge affordable rent for 10 years; if the covenant is broken, the owner is liable for 150% of the waived fees. This grew directly from ADU conversions to short-term rentals. Under this proposal new ADUs would be subject to school and transportation impact fees, and possibly others, that could be avoided by agreeing to terms similar to Portland’s.

Why are these changes needed?
Proponents argue the proposal will increase affordable housing, provide housing for relatives/caregivers/disabled individuals, provide income streams for seniors and others who otherwise could not stay in their homes, and allow people who otherwise could not afford to live in a desirable area to do so. However, since 2012 the requirements and processes to build an ADU have been loosened considerably, yet the number of legal accessory units has fallen by half. At the same time county enforcement efforts on both illegal ADUs and illegal short-term rentals have, in many neighborhoods (not ours), been unsatisfactory. The county’s department of health and human services has 200 licensed short-term rentals on its roster; it hired an outside consultant to scrape Airbnb and other listings and found 1600 - that would include 1400 illegal ones.

These is a very simple summary. As you probably can tell, I believe there are some significant problems with this proposal, largely because it is not well thought out or cohesive but also because some aspects are problematic for older neighborhoods (as an aside - there are several municipalities that would be exempt from this, and all housing developments built from about 1980 on are required to have homeowners association, whose covenants may not allow ADUS). If you have an opinion, you might want to share it with the council by writing to county.council@montgomerycountymd.gov. You need to note that you are writing about ZTA 19-01 and get your email in ASAP. If you are interested, send me your email address and I can provide you with the two letter sent by about 30 active residents from around the county, which have considerably more detail.



Wow

Thank you for posting. I hope people read this and consider what can and will happen.

You’re already supposed to put up a notice in my neighborhood if you are planning to build an accessory apartment but that rarely (I’d ever ) happens. And the County certainly doesn’t fine the landlord when this is violated.


Yup, this is an awesome post. Thanks 22:51.


Bumping this up for those who would like to learn the details of this proposal.


+1


Another bump in case this post got lost in the nonsense.


This post IS the nonsense.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Democrats destroying themselves. Fun times.


Are you nuts? This will cause property values to skyrocket.



Are you fruits? This will cause a major flight from MoCo to Northern Virginia.


You're going to move to Northern Virginia if Montgomery County law allows your neighbor to have a legal apartment in their basement? Seems like an overreaction to me, but you do you.


No brainer in my mind. Or DC. MC is already the highest taxed jurisdiction in the area. No reason to live in MC. Governed by idiots. FYI. I am a lifetime Democrat.


You misplaces an "-er."
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Boo

Well, that's a whole bunch of people I won't be voting for in the next election. Navarro isn't looking out for her own district.

Our neighborhood just got rid of it's last illegal multifamily rooming house, and it took the police to get the stragglers out.
And, just sold off the last foreclosures this past year. I'm sure the addition of more ADUs will not be helpful, and will lead to more rooming houses and more Airbnb houses.

But hey, as long as investors and people in TP and Bethesda are making money, it's ok to chase those of us who want to buy an under 550k sfh in sfh neighborhoods to Howard and Frederick.


I don't have a problem with rooming houses, in principle. The effects should be regulated, of course.

Do you think there's much demand among tourists to come stay in your neighborhood in a backyard house as an AirBnB?
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