Senate Democrats sending secret letter about Kavanaugh to FBI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something just doesn't sit right with me on this accusation. (I am a liberal D).

I had the same reaction to the Rolling Stone article. This doesn't fit the profile. It is too over the top to be believable. That he held his hand on her mouth, that he turned up music so people couldnt hear her, and that another boy was there? This isn't how it typically happens. That these guys would take the risk with something that was so obviously rape, and that no one would talk about it, hear it, that she wouldn't report it or tell a friend or parent or the school. Or that the other boy wouldn't go brag to others. Rape in these settings is more insidious and devious.

Just my two cents.

(I am guessing this accuser will come forward).

Then it should be easy to dispatch with with an investigation. Just like the RS article would have been, had the reporter and her editors done their job. Let's investigate, then if everything seems good - re: sexual assault, perjury, gambling debts, and the other assorted issues - go ahead and confirm.

[Anonymous]

Imagine how ridiculous it would be if the report said Brett Kavanaugh had physically attacked a man, and the response from republicans was to assemble a list of men Kavanaugh did not physically attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something just doesn't sit right with me on this accusation. (I am a liberal D).

I had the same reaction to the Rolling Stone article. This doesn't fit the profile. It is too over the top to be believable. That he held his hand on her mouth, that he turned up music so people couldnt hear her, and that another boy was there? This isn't how it typically happens. That these guys would take the risk with something that was so obviously rape, and that no one would talk about it, hear it, that she wouldn't report it or tell a friend or parent or the school. Or that the other boy wouldn't go brag to others. Rape in these settings is more insidious and devious.

Just my two cents.

(I am guessing this accuser will come forward).

Then it should be easy to dispatch with with an investigation. Just like the RS article would have been, had the reporter and her editors done their job. Let's investigate, then if everything seems good - re: sexual assault, perjury, gambling debts, and the other assorted issues - go ahead and confirm.

What is really left to investigate?

Some anonymous person who refuses to be identified makes a claim.
Both people who were supposedly present dispute the claim.
Nobody else was there. Apparently, no evidence of any kind exists or you can bet your bippy that it would have been provided.

It turns out to be a she said/they said. Can’t be proven. Can’t be disproven.

Seems like that was the goal all along.

(And, stop already with the gambling debts. Some left-wing pundit put that claim out there - probably on CNN or MSNBC - with absolutely no evidence. He has already stated there is no gambling debt.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something just doesn't sit right with me on this accusation. (I am a liberal D).

I had the same reaction to the Rolling Stone article. This doesn't fit the profile. It is too over the top to be believable. That he held his hand on her mouth, that he turned up music so people couldnt hear her, and that another boy was there? This isn't how it typically happens. That these guys would take the risk with something that was so obviously rape, and that no one would talk about it, hear it, that she wouldn't report it or tell a friend or parent or the school. Or that the other boy wouldn't go brag to others. Rape in these settings is more insidious and devious.

Just my two cents.

(I am guessing this accuser will come forward).

Then it should be easy to dispatch with with an investigation. Just like the RS article would have been, had the reporter and her editors done their job. Let's investigate, then if everything seems good - re: sexual assault, perjury, gambling debts, and the other assorted issues - go ahead and confirm.

Just like the Russia investigation? Years? No, thank you. Ultimately, this is "he said, she said." And "she" doesn't want people to know who she is. We are not even sure of what happened. I read nothing about them trying to rape her--that has been conjecture on the part of others.

This story smells. What in the world will an investigation prove? Look at what the Rolling Stone article did to innocent young men at UVA and to a female staff member whose reputation was sullied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine how ridiculous it would be if the report said Brett Kavanaugh had physically attacked a man, and the response from republicans was to assemble a list of men Kavanaugh did not physically attack.

Seems as if the women organized and wrote the letter on their own. Imagine that. A group of women who are appalled at the treatment this nominee is receiving from liberals.

[Anonymous]

More details from https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/kavanaugh-letter-assault-supreme-court/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2018-09-14T17%3A19%3A07&utm_medium=social&utm_term=image

Kavanaugh physically pushed her into a bedroom, the accuser said. Along with another male, Kavanaugh locked the door from the inside and played loud music that the accuser said precluded successful attempts to yell for help. Both men were drunk, she said, and Kavanaugh attempted to remove her clothes.
At one point, Kavanaugh was on top of her laughing as the other male in the room periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh held his hand over her mouth at one point, and she said she felt her life was inadvertently in danger. She said she was able to leave the room and go into a hallway bathroom. After Kavanaugh and the other male began talking to others in the house, she went home. There is no indication the woman reported the incident to law enforcement at the time, but she said she has received medical treatment regarding the alleged assault.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The women who signed that letter should be ashamed of themselves.

Why? Because they are willing to put out their names publicly in support of an honorable man?
Contrast that with some woman who anonymously makes a charge for which there is no proof or evidence.

She said she sought psycological help in dealing with it. Lets see what the psychologist says.

Great, so now we are listening to a *mentally-deranged* anonymous accuser.

The psychologist is better qualified to make a judgement on her mental status than you. Lets wait and see what s/he says.

Yes, because psychologists are willing to publicly opine on their patients’ medical records

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something just doesn't sit right with me on this accusation. (I am a liberal D).

I had the same reaction to the Rolling Stone article. This doesn't fit the profile. It is too over the top to be believable. That he held his hand on her mouth, that he turned up music so people couldnt hear her, and that another boy was there? This isn't how it typically happens. That these guys would take the risk with something that was so obviously rape, and that no one would talk about it, hear it, that she wouldn't report it or tell a friend or parent or the school. Or that the other boy wouldn't go brag to others. Rape in these settings is more insidious and devious.

Just my two cents.

(I am guessing this accuser will come forward).

Then it should be easy to dispatch with with an investigation. Just like the RS article would have been, had the reporter and her editors done their job. Let's investigate, then if everything seems good - re: sexual assault, perjury, gambling debts, and the other assorted issues - go ahead and confirm.

Just like the Russia investigation? Years? No, thank you. Ultimately, this is "he said, she said." And "she" doesn't want people to know who she is. We are not even sure of what happened. I read nothing about them trying to rape her--that has been conjecture on the part of others.

This story smells. What in the world will an investigation prove? Look at what the Rolling Stone article did to innocent young men at UVA and to a female staff member whose reputation was sullied.

Huh. Interesting take. Well, hopefully women voters will see it your way. "Ladies: let's not look into sexual assault allegations because men's lives could be ruined! Vote for us!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine how ridiculous it would be if the report said Brett Kavanaugh had physically attacked a man, and the response from republicans was to assemble a list of men Kavanaugh did not physically attack.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people in this thread suggesting that what Kavanaugh is accused of doing is fine because he didn't actual penetrate the accuser, is beyond disgusting and absurd. But then again, these are probably the same people who 1) wanted Al Franken's head on a platter and 2) though Roy Moore was fine because he was allegedly only *courting* 14 year olds and touching them over their underwear, not trying to have sex with them!

This allegation is but one thing in a now-growing list of reasons why this nominee needs to be looked into further before he is confirmed. Every single conservative/republican on this thread knows that if these issues had arisen for a SCOTUS (or ANY) nominee from a Democrat president that every GOP elected and republican citizen would be up in arms demanding these things be cleared up. To suggest otherwise is pathological.

A thousand times yes to this

1. There is no accusation that says he tried to penetrate her.
2. We have no idea who the woman is or if she even knew him.
3. It was Kristin Gillibrand who wanted Franken's head on a platter for her own political purposes.
4. No one said Roy Moore was fine. It was interesting that the one credible witness had never come forward for all those years while he was running for public office many times. The other ones jumped on the bandwagon and and at least one of them was pretty much debunked.

I disagree with you. These allegations are pitifully weak. Why did Feinstein hold on to this for months? What is to investigate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More details from https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/kavanaugh-letter-assault-supreme-court/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2018-09-14T17%3A19%3A07&utm_medium=social&utm_term=image

Kavanaugh physically pushed her into a bedroom, the accuser said. Along with another male, Kavanaugh locked the door from the inside and played loud music that the accuser said precluded successful attempts to yell for help. Both men were drunk, she said, and Kavanaugh attempted to remove her clothes.
At one point, Kavanaugh was on top of her laughing as the other male in the room periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh held his hand over her mouth at one point, and she said she felt her life was inadvertently in danger. She said she was able to leave the room and go into a hallway bathroom. After Kavanaugh and the other male began talking to others in the house, she went home. There is no indication the woman reported the incident to law enforcement at the time, but she said she has received medical treatment regarding the alleged assault.

Sounds like they were just horsing around. Also sounds she may have been playing along/consenting. Did she tell them to stop? Scream for help? No, sounds like she was just having some fun with the boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More details from https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/kavanaugh-letter-assault-supreme-court/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2018-09-14T17%3A19%3A07&utm_medium=social&utm_term=image

Kavanaugh physically pushed her into a bedroom, the accuser said. Along with another male, Kavanaugh locked the door from the inside and played loud music that the accuser said precluded successful attempts to yell for help. Both men were drunk, she said, and Kavanaugh attempted to remove her clothes.
At one point, Kavanaugh was on top of her laughing as the other male in the room periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh held his hand over her mouth at one point, and she said she felt her life was inadvertently in danger. She said she was able to leave the room and go into a hallway bathroom. After Kavanaugh and the other male began talking to others in the house, she went home. There is no indication the woman reported the incident to law enforcement at the time, but she said she has received medical treatment regarding the alleged assault.

Jesus. That's awful.

I don't know if it actually happened or not, but it sounds like something that *could* happen. It sounds like a credible account to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More details from https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/kavanaugh-letter-assault-supreme-court/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2018-09-14T17%3A19%3A07&utm_medium=social&utm_term=image

Kavanaugh physically pushed her into a bedroom, the accuser said. Along with another male, Kavanaugh locked the door from the inside and played loud music that the accuser said precluded successful attempts to yell for help. Both men were drunk, she said, and Kavanaugh attempted to remove her clothes.
At one point, Kavanaugh was on top of her laughing as the other male in the room periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh held his hand over her mouth at one point, and she said she felt her life was inadvertently in danger. She said she was able to leave the room and go into a hallway bathroom. After Kavanaugh and the other male began talking to others in the house, she went home. There is no indication the woman reported the incident to law enforcement at the time, but she said she has received medical treatment regarding the alleged assault.

Sounds like they were just horsing around. Also sounds she may have been playing along/consenting. Did she tell them to stop? Scream for help? No, sounds like she was just having some fun with the boys.

I hope your kids' schools are doing a better job teaching them about consent than you are. Sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something just doesn't sit right with me on this accusation. (I am a liberal D).

I had the same reaction to the Rolling Stone article. This doesn't fit the profile. It is too over the top to be believable. That he held his hand on her mouth, that he turned up music so people couldnt hear her, and that another boy was there? This isn't how it typically happens. That these guys would take the risk with something that was so obviously rape, and that no one would talk about it, hear it, that she wouldn't report it or tell a friend or parent or the school. Or that the other boy wouldn't go brag to others. Rape in these settings is more insidious and devious.

Just my two cents.

(I am guessing this accuser will come forward).

Then it should be easy to dispatch with with an investigation. Just like the RS article would have been, had the reporter and her editors done their job. Let's investigate, then if everything seems good - re: sexual assault, perjury, gambling debts, and the other assorted issues - go ahead and confirm.

Just like the Russia investigation? Years? No, thank you. Ultimately, this is "he said, she said." And "she" doesn't want people to know who she is. We are not even sure of what happened. I read nothing about them trying to rape her--that has been conjecture on the part of others.

This story smells. What in the world will an investigation prove? Look at what the Rolling Stone article did to innocent young men at UVA and to a female staff member whose reputation was sullied.

Given Manafort's total capitulation and flipping today, I am not sure this is the example you want to use.

[Anonymous]

“A woman has said he raped her in high school.”
“This list of 65 women from his high school say he’s great.” “Wait, why did you have that list?”
“No reason."