Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I doubt that Crown will be built in the next few years. And even so, I doubt Fallsgrove will move to Crown HS because that would cause the other ESs around there to be over capacity.

Fallsgrove can stay at Ritchie Park for ES and go to Crown for high school.

So they woud be split for ES/MS and then HS? Somehow I don't mcps would do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning laws.

Right... but my point was that if Rockville/MoCo really wanted to allow for low income housing in those neighborhoods, then they would change zoning laws to allow it. Even so, I seriously doubt that developers could find enough land in HH or Potomac Woods to build multi family units, and set aside some units for low income.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning laws.

Right... but my point was that if Rockville/MoCo really wanted to allow for low income housing in those neighborhoods, then they would change zoning laws to allow it. Even so, I seriously doubt that developers could find enough land in HH or Potomac Woods to build multi family units, and set aside some units for low income.

Yes, of course.

(Developers know how to assemble parcels.)

Another option is to remove the barriers that prevent people from putting in accessory apartments and accessory dwelling units.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I doubt that Crown will be built in the next few years. And even so, I doubt Fallsgrove will move to Crown HS because that would cause the other ESs around there to be over capacity.

Fallsgrove can stay at Ritchie Park for ES and go to Crown for high school.

So they woud be split for ES/MS and then HS? Somehow I don't mcps would do that.

Why not? There is split articulation in other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you serious? Good lord. It the county could afford that they should have been buying up homes in the Potomac and Bethesda school zones to increase their FARMS past 0-3%. The least expensive home in the areas you mentioned above would be 700K. Why would the county buy even one home and who would pay for all the utilities.

Some people never cease to amaze me what they think the government should do to even the playing field. Kids (even illegal kids) are already give free education, free transportation, free meals, free English lessons if needed. Welfare, HUD, food stamps, etc... Now we should give away half a million to million dollar homes to the poor?? We just keep enabling.

You're right, that would be poor housing policy. A better option would be to change the zoning to allow developers to buy the properties and and redevelop them as multi-family housing, with a certain percentage of units set aside as workforce and affordable housing.

I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning prevents it. HH is zoned R-90 for its entirety. If a developer purchased a home there and tried to demolish it and build a couple townhomes, the city would prevent it by enforcing zoning regulations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning laws.

Right... but my point was that if Rockville/MoCo really wanted to allow for low income housing in those neighborhoods, then they would change zoning laws to allow it. Even so, I seriously doubt that developers could find enough land in HH or Potomac Woods to build multi family units, and set aside some units for low income.

Changing zoning of a neighborhood is actually quite difficult. Furthermore, there are extreme traffic impacts to any multifamily housing in a neighborhood that isn't designed for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you serious? Good lord. It the county could afford that they should have been buying up homes in the Potomac and Bethesda school zones to increase their FARMS past 0-3%. The least expensive home in the areas you mentioned above would be 700K. Why would the county buy even one home and who would pay for all the utilities.

Some people never cease to amaze me what they think the government should do to even the playing field. Kids (even illegal kids) are already give free education, free transportation, free meals, free English lessons if needed. Welfare, HUD, food stamps, etc... Now we should give away half a million to million dollar homes to the poor?? We just keep enabling.

You're right, that would be poor housing policy. A better option would be to change the zoning to allow developers to buy the properties and and redevelop them as multi-family housing, with a certain percentage of units set aside as workforce and affordable housing.

I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning prevents it. HH is zoned R-90 for its entirety. If a developer purchased a home there and tried to demolish it and build a couple townhomes, the city would prevent it by enforcing zoning regulations.

1. That's where housing policy advocacy comes in - advocating for zoning changes to reduce socio-economic segregation in older neighborhoods. This is already a priority for the City of Rockville which is why all.the new neighborhoods have a certain percentage of MPDU units and section 8 housing voucher units required in each new neighborhood that is built in Rockville.

2. Single family homes would not need to be demolished in existing neighborhoods, just renovated on the inside to turn them into duplexes for 2-3 families. As an example, in Fallsgrove, several of the MPDU units look exactly like the single family homes next to them, but they are duplexes with separate entrances. You'd never notice that unless you knew where they were and we're really looking. From the outside, they look exactly the same.

This particular proposal may or may not be realistic, but if the concern about socioeconomic segregation is genuine, then getting more people involved in housing advocacy for low and moderate income families in our city and county is a great place to direct their efforts.





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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning laws.

Right... but my point was that if Rockville/MoCo really wanted to allow for low income housing in those neighborhoods, then they would change zoning laws to allow it. Even so, I seriously doubt that developers could find enough land in HH or Potomac Woods to build multi family units, and set aside some units for low income.

Yes, of course.

(Developers know how to assemble parcels.)

Another option is to remove the barriers that prevent people from putting in accessory apartments and accessory dwelling units.

They would have to buy at least two homes next to each other to do this. How frequently does this happen in those areas? In any case, it's not going to happen as a PP stated that they should do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you serious? Good lord. It the county could afford that they should have been buying up homes in the Potomac and Bethesda school zones to increase their FARMS past 0-3%. The least expensive home in the areas you mentioned above would be 700K. Why would the county buy even one home and who would pay for all the utilities.

Some people never cease to amaze me what they think the government should do to even the playing field. Kids (even illegal kids) are already give free education, free transportation, free meals, free English lessons if needed. Welfare, HUD, food stamps, etc... Now we should give away half a million to million dollar homes to the poor?? We just keep enabling.

You're right, that would be poor housing policy. A better option would be to change the zoning to allow developers to buy the properties and and redevelop them as multi-family housing, with a certain percentage of units set aside as workforce and affordable housing.

I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning prevents it. HH is zoned R-90 for its entirety. If a developer purchased a home there and tried to demolish it and build a couple townhomes, the city would prevent it by enforcing zoning regulations.

1. That's where housing policy advocacy comes in - advocating for zoning changes to reduce socio-economic segregation in older neighborhoods. This is already a priority for the City of Rockville which is why all.the new neighborhoods have a certain percentage of MPDU units and section 8 housing voucher units required in each new neighborhood that is built in Rockville.

2. Single family homes would not need to be demolished in existing neighborhoods, just renovated on the inside to turn them into duplexes for 2-3 families. As an example, in Fallsgrove, several of the MPDU units look exactly like the single family homes next to them, but they are duplexes with separate entrances. You'd never notice that unless you knew where they were and we're really looking. From the outside, they look exactly the same.

This particular proposal may or may not be realistic, but if the concern about socioeconomic segregation is genuine, then getting more people involved in housing advocacy for low and moderate income families in our city and county is a great place to direct their efforts.





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I am only aware of this with attached single-Family homes, not detached, in Falls Grove

[Anonymous]

Are there really two pages on this thread of how middle class single family neighborhoods in Rockville/Potomac, zoned for RM, should get homes on 0.25 acre lots knocked down in the middle of a neighborhood and a cluster of like 2-4 HUD townhouses built there? All for the sake of adding more FARMS to one freaking school?

You people have lost your minds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there really two pages on this thread of how middle class single family neighborhoods in Rockville/Potomac, zoned for RM, should get homes on 0.25 acre lots knocked down in the middle of a neighborhood and a cluster of like 2-4 HUD townhouses built there? All for the sake of adding more FARMS to one freaking school?

You people have lost your minds.

No, all for the sake of reducing income segregation and increasing more-affordable housing options in Montgomery County.

Also, what is a "HUD townhouse"? We are talking about changing zoning laws to allow private development. Probably the developers in Bethesda who are knocking down smaller houses and putting up 10,000 square foot detached houses on spec would love to be able to put up duplexes of two 5,000 square foot attached houses -- if the zoning laws allowed them to do so. But the zoning laws don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
They would have to buy at least two homes next to each other to do this. How frequently does this happen in those areas? In any case, it's not going to happen as a PP stated that they should do.

Developers know how to assemble parcels. See, for example:

http://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Bradfords-Landing-820170060-6_29_16-Staff-Report.pdf

Look at the map on p. 10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you serious? Good lord. It the county could afford that they should have been buying up homes in the Potomac and Bethesda school zones to increase their FARMS past 0-3%. The least expensive home in the areas you mentioned above would be 700K. Why would the county buy even one home and who would pay for all the utilities.

Some people never cease to amaze me what they think the government should do to even the playing field. Kids (even illegal kids) are already give free education, free transportation, free meals, free English lessons if needed. Welfare, HUD, food stamps, etc... Now we should give away half a million to million dollar homes to the poor?? We just keep enabling.

You're right, that would be poor housing policy. A better option would be to change the zoning to allow developers to buy the properties and and redevelop them as multi-family housing, with a certain percentage of units set aside as workforce and affordable housing.

I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning prevents it. HH is zoned R-90 for its entirety. If a developer purchased a home there and tried to demolish it and build a couple townhomes, the city would prevent it by enforcing zoning regulations.

1. That's where housing policy advocacy comes in - advocating for zoning changes to reduce socio-economic segregation in older neighborhoods. This is already a priority for the City of Rockville which is why all.the new neighborhoods have a certain percentage of MPDU units and section 8 housing voucher units required in each new neighborhood that is built in Rockville.

2. Single family homes would not need to be demolished in existing neighborhoods, just renovated on the inside to turn them into duplexes for 2-3 families. As an example, in Fallsgrove, several of the MPDU units look exactly like the single family homes next to them, but they are duplexes with separate entrances. You'd never notice that unless you knew where they were and we're really looking. From the outside, they look exactly the same.

This particular proposal may or may not be realistic, but if the concern about socioeconomic segregation is genuine, then getting more people involved in housing advocacy for low and moderate income families in our city and county is a great place to direct their efforts.





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I am only aware of this with attached single-Family homes, not detached, in Falls Grove

the MPDUs built on single family lots in Fallsgrove look like 1 single family home on the lot, but they are duplexes with 1-2 bedrooms in each.
There may be some in the attached-single family sections of the neighborhood , but I know that there are some completely detached models as I have seen them myself.

There are also MPDU units in the condo buildings and apartment buildings in Fallsgrove. Those are exactly the same models as all the other units in the apartment and condo buildings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you serious? Good lord. It the county could afford that they should have been buying up homes in the Potomac and Bethesda school zones to increase their FARMS past 0-3%. The least expensive home in the areas you mentioned above would be 700K. Why would the county buy even one home and who would pay for all the utilities.

Some people never cease to amaze me what they think the government should do to even the playing field. Kids (even illegal kids) are already give free education, free transportation, free meals, free English lessons if needed. Welfare, HUD, food stamps, etc... Now we should give away half a million to million dollar homes to the poor?? We just keep enabling.

You're right, that would be poor housing policy. A better option would be to change the zoning to allow developers to buy the properties and and redevelop them as multi-family housing, with a certain percentage of units set aside as workforce and affordable housing.

I admit I don't much about real estate laws and such, but what is preventing developers from buying those home now and building townhomes there? For example, there is no assocation in HH to stop someone from building multi-family units. I suppose the city/county could prevent it, but would they really? Also, how many multi-family units can be built on one lot? It's extremely rare for multiple houses next to each other to be on the market at the same time such that a develope can buy all of them to build multi-family units.

Zoning prevents it. HH is zoned R-90 for its entirety. If a developer purchased a home there and tried to demolish it and build a couple townhomes, the city would prevent it by enforcing zoning regulations.

1. That's where housing policy advocacy comes in - advocating for zoning changes to reduce socio-economic segregation in older neighborhoods. This is already a priority for the City of Rockville which is why all.the new neighborhoods have a certain percentage of MPDU units and section 8 housing voucher units required in each new neighborhood that is built in Rockville.

2. Single family homes would not need to be demolished in existing neighborhoods, just renovated on the inside to turn them into duplexes for 2-3 families. As an example, in Fallsgrove, several of the MPDU units look exactly like the single family homes next to them, but they are duplexes with separate entrances. You'd never notice that unless you knew where they were and we're really looking. From the outside, they look exactly the same.

This particular proposal may or may not be realistic, but if the concern about socioeconomic segregation is genuine, then getting more people involved in housing advocacy for low and moderate income families in our city and county is a great place to direct their efforts.





.

I am only aware of this with attached single-Family homes, not detached, in Falls Grove

the MPDUs built on single family lots in Fallsgrove look like 1 single family home on the lot, but they are duplexes with 1-2 bedrooms in each.
There may be some in the attached-single family sections of the neighborhood , but I know that there are some completely detached models as I have seen them myself.

There are also MPDU units in the condo buildings and apartment buildings in Fallsgrove. Those are exactly the same models as all the other units in the apartment and condo buildings.

Also, to be clear, MPDUs are not designed for very low income individuals, per se - they are for moderate income individuals/families who likely wouldn't qualify for FARMS. However, low-income housing vouchers are accepted for payment of MPDU rentals, which would make them more accessible to lower income families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there really two pages on this thread of how middle class single family neighborhoods in Rockville/Potomac, zoned for RM, should get homes on 0.25 acre lots knocked down in the middle of a neighborhood and a cluster of like 2-4 HUD townhouses built there? All for the sake of adding more FARMS to one freaking school?

You people have lost your minds.

+1000

This conversation is a complete waste of time. It will NEVER happen.Whoever is coming up with this stuff has absolutely no sense of reality.