Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.


Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Yes, and there is something called the civil rights act since 1964. In case you have not noticed it.

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Care to point out a specific policy that actively and pointedly bars access to a kid based on race? Because it's already illegal. Where are you seeing illegal admissions policies? Name the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

Financial aid, yes that’s a literal that means charity. Scholarships, no that’s a payment for excellence.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

But still there is the consensus to avoid racial segregation in expensive schools with the goal of inclusiveness (most schools publish their numbers). Why not having the same goal with socioeconomic inclusion. Are poor people more violent and ignorant ? That’s how people thought about non-white people 50 years ago. I think there are merits in broadening the concept of diversity, even for expensive schools.

No, there is no consensus on any diversity targets for private schools. You think there are merits for your arguments and you might be able to make them a reality if you gave several million dollars to a school, but without the additional resources your ideas don't work. And the quality of the education, which costs money, will always be more important than any diversity goals.

Tell me a prestigious school in dc and I will tell you what do they say about racial diversity and their metrics. You might not care, which is fine, but schools do advertise their diversity.

Newsflash rich minorities like being around other rich minorities. They still don’t want to mingle with the poor, including poor whites.

Ding ding ding!!

Also untrue. Most minorities live in neighborhoods that are below their socioeconomic level as to live closer to other minorities who earn less than them. This is fact. Look it up.

It’s true, Michelle and Barack live on the east side of Martha’s Vineyard

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I love dcum posts. It’s an easy way to check how racist people are in the dc area.

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Anonymous wrote:I love dcum posts. It’s an easy way to check how racist people are in the dc area.

And hypocritical

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Anonymous wrote:The DC private schools are not as much of a wealth/privilege bubble as some people here say. It is all relative. For a lot of us this is just normal life in DC and we see schools elsewhere as privileged.

It is all relative, but my kids have been in class and friends with kids in their public schools that have been living in shelters or didn’t have food to eat when they got home from school (wonderful, sweet kids btw). You don’t see that kind of poverty at DC privates - and arguably these are the kids that need the most help if we are going to truly care about equity and diversity.

We had a super smart kid from our church who was offered a full scholarship and he turned it down. I heard he turned it down to work with his family instead and didn’t finish high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I love dcum posts. It’s an easy way to check how racist people are in the dc area.

It's racist to want a good education for your kids? Guess that crabs in a barrel thing isn't working out the way you hoped.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trolling. So earning less than 250k a year and not being able to pay 60k in this housing market means you have problems?

If you are asking for charity, i.e. financial aid, then yes.

So you think that people who receive financial aid and scholarships in college are asking for charity? If you do, you are obtuse and insolent. These schools cost more in tuition than many colleges.

Financial aid, yes that’s a literal that means charity. Scholarships, no that’s a payment for excellence.

You are an idiot. “Scholarships” in college work just like financial aid in private school. It’s easier for people who can pay “full sticker price” to get in. But many students, at some schools most students, get some scholarship funding to lessen the cost. The average price paid at many schools is far below sticker.

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These are trolls posting. Designed to make racism and classism seem more popular than it is.

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Anonymous wrote:These are trolls posting. Designed to make racism and classism seem more popular than it is.

Not really. Parents from private school try to justify that classism is actually fine or desirable in private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I love dcum posts. It’s an easy way to check how racist people are in the dc area.

It's racist to want a good education for your kids? Guess that crabs in a barrel thing isn't working out the way you hoped.

Not really. What is odd is the combination of pretending not to be racist and at the same time to openly show disdain for kids in lower income families.

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This thread is asinine. I didn’t bother reading the responses, but OP is an imbecile. Sorry, but they are. Private means that it costs money, and if you can’t afford it then you will likely have to make other choices. That is not remotely the same as racism, even though income does tend to fall along racial lines. Some schools make it part of their mission to promote more diversity by offering aid money, but it is far from a requirement.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.

Well yes, you are 100% correct and that is true.

But what hasn’t been going on since day 1 are people simultaneously pursuing discrimination for themselves and their own family while at the exact same time preaching anti-discrimination and condemning those who engage in it in order to elevate their own status by presenting themselves as virtuous and others as bigoted while the both engage in the same behaviors.

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This is a conservative troll gaslighting us, hero she would prefer classism AND racism. They are essentially trying to score points on schools for promoting inclusivity. “Woke” police.