Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

So does everyone else. But thanks for admitting you’re cheap.

You’re not welcome

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

As it is now.

Yes, but worse. The wealthy public school kids will flee - what we are already seeing in TX - and the non-legacy kids will have to fight with those legacy children whose parents went to private but choose the send their kids public. Because the public schools will retain the kids whose parents chose/couldnt logistically/ or don’t care to apply out. Plus if your kid is in a school where the teachers aren’t fully engaged or know your child personally (because there’s 35 of them) then teacher recommendations will not equal those at better schools all else being equal. Family recommendations from within the community also carry weight - not available for underprivileged or MC people.

Finally we get to the real reason for crappy schools. That only took 10 pages. I still for the life of me cannot understand how someone unemployed on welfare can’t be engaged in their own child’s education. They have the time. It’s not like they’re working.

Yeaaahhh. This poster right here is why so many of us have a problem with private schools. PP, your take is about what I’d expect from a completely sheltered 5 year old.

Dispute it

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

As it is now.

Yes, but worse. The wealthy public school kids will flee - what we are already seeing in TX - and the non-legacy kids will have to fight with those legacy children whose parents went to private but choose the send their kids public. Because the public schools will retain the kids whose parents chose/couldnt logistically/ or don’t care to apply out. Plus if your kid is in a school where the teachers aren’t fully engaged or know your child personally (because there’s 35 of them) then teacher recommendations will not equal those at better schools all else being equal. Family recommendations from within the community also carry weight - not available for underprivileged or MC people.

Finally we get to the real reason for crappy schools. That only took 10 pages. I still for the life of me cannot understand how someone unemployed on welfare can’t be engaged in their own child’s education. They have the time. It’s not like they’re working.

Why do you use an example of the unemployed or welfare to describe parents at public schools. The OVERWHELMING majority of parents in public schools are employed and not receiving welfare benefits. You are another example of the typical DCUM private school parent, overinflated ego with underwhelming intelligence.

Because the OVERWHELMING majority of welfare parents have the time

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Tell me about racial exclusion. Is that acceptable ?

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Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: most rich people are aholes.

Broken: crime ridden poor areas are full of aholes too or they’d be crime free

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Anonymous wrote:We are tired of having to pay for other kids because their parents don’t have their act together and need financial aid. It isn’t cute that your kid is poor, it is just a drain on the school’s resources and all the other parents who are covering your bills.

So stop doing it.

Most parents would love to decrease the financial aid budget and put those funds where they would benefit the children.

That’s ok. That aid goes to upper middle class families, not to lower income families.

How would you know?

Because there are plenty of people who have direct knowledge of admissions practices. Also, many of us aren’t first generation dc private school families. We know the parents of the kids we went to school with who receive financial aid. The OP’s question reflects a racial blind spot. You guys assume that the minority (black) kids are on financial aid, when the majority who receive aid are white people who blend in with the general white majority of these schools. So in fact the schools already care about socioeconomic diversity more than racial diversity, but most can’t see past their racial biases to see it.

+1 Thanks for that

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Tell me about racial exclusion. Is that acceptable ?

I don't know, do your racist kids exclude others with differences? Mock them?

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Tell me about racial exclusion. Is that acceptable ?

I don't know, do your racist kids exclude others with differences? Mock them?

Ahhhh, the old strategy of avoiding the question by bringing up something unrelated. So tell me, what else besides racial exclusion should be accepted in the society?

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Tell me about racial exclusion. Is that acceptable ?

I don't know, do your racist kids exclude others with differences? Mock them?

Ahhhh, the old strategy of avoiding the question by bringing up something unrelated. So tell me, what else besides racial exclusion should be accepted in the society?

You tell me? Why are you excluding and angry at people who make more money than you? You're holier than though attitude isn't that cute. Because if you have kids it will always be your kid > my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

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Anonymous wrote:OP were you born yesterday? Public schools are way more segregated than private on this axis. Private schools are paying millions per year for socioeconomic diversity through financial aid. Meanwhile home prices and NIMBY behavior are keeping good public schools behind locked gates for most.

You hit the nail on the head.

Sure. Private schools are more inclusive than public schools.

it's not the schools it's the people. Wherever you go, there the people are. People exclude others not like them.

Sure. That makes it acceptable.

It's human nature. For all the inclusion talk there are so many kids left on the sidelines. Not cool enough, too weird, annoying, etc. Why focus on just SES or race? Exclusion happens in every single classroom.

Because those things are resulted from something the kid nor the kid’s family can control and has been happening to the same race of people for hundreds of years on US soil.

Discrimination has been going on since humanity lumbered from the primordial ooze. All races, every corner of earth, all since day one.