Antizionism is not antisemitism/the current conflict

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminate all religions and eliminate these problems. We’d still find ways to discriminate against one another but magical thinking wouldn’t be part of it.

Totally agree. But then it would lay bare the fact that this has nothing to do with religion, and is in fact your standard white supremacy at work. These white Europeans want to claim some ancient ownership of this land, the brown people that actually live there won't just roll over and die, but because we're talking about white Europeans, the West looks the other way while they attempt to exterminate the indigenous people residing on the land.

I’m just going to copy and paste my previous question because no one bothered answering it last time:

Explain, in detail, why you think Israel, a country that is 20% non-Jewish Arab and 32% Mizrahi (or to put it in words you can understand, “brown people”) is WHITE SUPREMACIST. That’s not even getting into the fact that the Ahskenazi Jewish population descends from holocaust survivors who were persecuted specifically for being non-white/aryan.

Who defines what white is? If someone has white skin why are they not considered white?

I’m telling you that fully 50% or more of Israeli citizens have skin as brown as your stereotypical Palestinian (although plenty of Palestinians look white as well). If you saw them side by side you would not be able to tell them apart. So explain to me how Israel is specifically a white supremacist project.

You think this is about literal skin color? Thats not how whiteness works dear. I'm a black woman with skin lighter than a lot of white people. Still not white.

Most Israelis are of European descent. Most American Jews are of European descent. They consider themselves white until it is convenient not to be.

+1000 ^^

PP is spot on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminate all religions and eliminate these problems. We’d still find ways to discriminate against one another but magical thinking wouldn’t be part of it.

Totally agree. But then it would lay bare the fact that this has nothing to do with religion, and is in fact your standard white supremacy at work. These white Europeans want to claim some ancient ownership of this land, the brown people that actually live there won't just roll over and die, but because we're talking about white Europeans, the West looks the other way while they attempt to exterminate the indigenous people residing on the land.

I’m just going to copy and paste my previous question because no one bothered answering it last time:

Explain, in detail, why you think Israel, a country that is 20% non-Jewish Arab and 32% Mizrahi (or to put it in words you can understand, “brown people”) is WHITE SUPREMACIST. That’s not even getting into the fact that the Ahskenazi Jewish population descends from holocaust survivors who were persecuted specifically for being non-white/aryan.

Who defines what white is? If someone has white skin why are they not considered white?

I’m telling you that fully 50% or more of Israeli citizens have skin as brown as your stereotypical Palestinian (although plenty of Palestinians look white as well). If you saw them side by side you would not be able to tell them apart. So explain to me how Israel is specifically a white supremacist project.

You think this is about literal skin color? Thats not how whiteness works dear. I'm a black woman with skin lighter than a lot of white people. Still not white.

Most Israelis are of European descent. Most American Jews are of European descent. They consider themselves white until it is convenient not to be.

I’m not really interested in what Jews consider themselves to be. First of all, that’s individual to each Jew, and second of all, it’s really only relevant within the Jewish community.

I’m much more interested in what society and particularly antisemites consider Jews to be. That’s much more relevant to their safety and actual lived experience. And there, you have things a** backwards. Society considers Jews to be non-white (read: racially impure, non-aryan, semitic, foreign) until it is convenient to consider them white (read: oppressors, colonialists, privileged). They are always cast as whatever society hates most/sees as most morally suspect.

Regardless, the fact remains that, even according to antizionists OWN definition of whiteness, most Israelis are not white. Antizionists say that Palestinians are “brown” because they are indigenous to the Middle East. That is also true of roughly 50% of Israeli citizens, whose parents or grandparents are from Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Morocco, Yemen, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminate all religions and eliminate these problems. We’d still find ways to discriminate against one another but magical thinking wouldn’t be part of it.

Totally agree. But then it would lay bare the fact that this has nothing to do with religion, and is in fact your standard white supremacy at work. These white Europeans want to claim some ancient ownership of this land, the brown people that actually live there won't just roll over and die, but because we're talking about white Europeans, the West looks the other way while they attempt to exterminate the indigenous people residing on the land.

I’m just going to copy and paste my previous question because no one bothered answering it last time:

Explain, in detail, why you think Israel, a country that is 20% non-Jewish Arab and 32% Mizrahi (or to put it in words you can understand, “brown people”) is WHITE SUPREMACIST. That’s not even getting into the fact that the Ahskenazi Jewish population descends from holocaust survivors who were persecuted specifically for being non-white/aryan.

Who defines what white is? If someone has white skin why are they not considered white?

I’m telling you that fully 50% or more of Israeli citizens have skin as brown as your stereotypical Palestinian (although plenty of Palestinians look white as well). If you saw them side by side you would not be able to tell them apart. So explain to me how Israel is specifically a white supremacist project.

You think this is about literal skin color? Thats not how whiteness works dear. I'm a black woman with skin lighter than a lot of white people. Still not white.

Most Israelis are of European descent. Most American Jews are of European descent. They consider themselves white until it is convenient not to be.

+1000 ^^

PP is spot on.

PP is not spot on, as another PP has noted — most Israelis are not of European descent. 20 percent of Israelis aren’t even Jewish. Of the Jews, the largest group is of Middle Eastern descent.

[Anonymous]

I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So because Hitler said white Jews weren’t white, we are perpetuating this nonsense?

Hitler didn’t say anything about white or not white, because at the time he was in power, no one analyzed power dynamics through a lens of white supremacy or colonialism and it wasn’t relevant to Germans whether Jews were white. It was relevant that they were Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

[Anonymous]

Or is it a subset of white? Like should Mormons also be considered something other than white? Or how about black american jews are not really black?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

Nobody is talking about American Jews genius. They’re discussing whether Israel is a white supremacist country. It is not, for the reasons mentioned (50% of Israelis are brown).

[Anonymous]

Would an asian american converted jew not be asian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

This is definitely very relevant to the question of whether most Israeli Jews are white.

I mean, am I wrong for thinking white Americans jews consider themselves white? The white American jews I know are proud zionists and look white, act white, only really associate with wealthy people, preferably other wealthy white jewish people.They travel to Israel often have family in Israel, love Israel and display this fact by flying Israeli flags and supporting Israel signs everywhere. Which is fine. These are white people, are they not?

Nobody is talking about American Jews genius. They’re discussing whether Israel is a white supremacist country. It is not, for the reasons mentioned (50% of Israelis are brown).

Well all Israelis should just immigrate here. It’s a wonderful life here compared to the ME.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consider white skinned jews white people and the white jews I know personally consider themselves white afaik and are quite happy successful individuals. Very connected and have a great sense community, unlike many others. They drive fancy cars and have fancy beach homes, the ladies get brazilian blowouts and plastic surgery and designer clothes. The kids go to pricey camps and clubs and jave the best of everything.

You sound jealous lol

No but there’s no doubt that they consider themselves white. They’re whiter than white.

And there it is. “Whiter than white.” From the brilliant book “Jews Don’t Count”:

“… racists say Jews aren’t white. Problem is, progressives, in general, tend to think they are white and, therefore, not really deserving of the protections progressive movements offer to non-white people facing racism. In some cases, Jews and Jewishness are used to signify even greater whiteness than normal.”

I mean many are wealthy people with white skin, with european ancestry.