Summer swim brings out the crazy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cost isn’t the issue. The issue is the mindset “I must be atop the ladder, so I’ll gain any advantage by wearing a tech suit, when every other kid wears a training suit.” Great frickin teammate.

tech suits may take off a second or two but they aren't going to make a slow kid faster.

Thanks for breaking news. Many teams have kids 2-4 bunched within less than half a second of each other. So it’s not about the kid that throws on a tech suit to try to move up from #9 on the list. It’s the kid that is .1 behind and attempts to bring a gun to a knife fight.

[Anonymous]

Tech suits only really get 6-8 races out of them so why would any parent have their kid wearing one for a MONDAY meet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tech suits only really get 6-8 races out of them so why would any parent have their kid wearing one for a MONDAY meet?

Do they stretch out or what?

[Anonymous]

Nearly all the kids at DC's club in the fast group wear 12U tech suits to every club meet, but they also tend to keep and wear them much longer and more often than any pro would. DC is aiming for a team record this year but won't suit up (in their secondhand tech suit, haha!) for a summer meet without coaches' advice/permission. In this age group and at these distances it's really just psychological boosting anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tech suits only really get 6-8 races out of them so why would any parent have their kid wearing one for a MONDAY meet?

Do they stretch out or what?

They stretch and lose their hydrophobicity. It’s really a waste of money to wear a tech suit to a rec meet. And one could argue that it’s a waste of money in many USA swimming meets. USA swimming should maintain the ban on 12u unless you are wearing them at jr nationals or above and consider extending the ban to 13-14 unless you are wearing them at sectionals or above. I’m sure there are a lot of problems with the latter, but seeing slower than B swimmers spend $600 on a tech suit feels like they are getting scammed. Our club allows tech suits at championship meets and when swimmers are tapered for an attempt at a cut on an individual basis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nearly all the kids at DC's club in the fast group wear 12U tech suits to every club meet, but they also tend to keep and wear them much longer and more often than any pro would. DC is aiming for a team record this year but won't suit up (in their secondhand tech suit, haha!) for a summer meet without coaches' advice/permission. In this age group and at these distances it's really just psychological boosting anyway.

12u tech suits are not real tech suits and no pro wears them to race. The 12u suits are just really tight practice suits. And they last forever, unlike a tech suit. My 13 year old just gave away his old 12u race suit that he has been wearing since he was 10. Still in perfect shape and it has been worn at least 30 times.

[Anonymous]

NVSL should just ban them period.

[Anonymous]

People are conflating tech suits with 12Y approved kneeskins. Here is the difference:

Approved only for 13+

$300 on sale:
https://www.tyr.com/women-s-open-back-venzo.html

$500:
https://us.speedo.com/women-s-fastskin-lzr-pure-valor-2.0-openback-kneeskin-purple/15506206.html

$600:
https://www.tyr.com/tyr-women-s-venzotm-open-back-swimsuit-solid-non-pfas.html

$650: https://www.arenasport.com/en_us/008679-115-powerskin-primo-eclipse-glare-limited-edition-closed-back.html

Approved for 12U

$70:
https://us.speedo.com/women-s-vanquisher-solid-kneeskin-blue/15240207.html

$120: https://www.arenasport.com/en_us/005877-powerskin-st-2-0-next-eco-open-back-junior.html

$130:
https://www.tyr.com/tyr-women-s-fusion-2-aerofit-shortjohn-u12-compliant.html

$150:
https://us.speedo.com/women-s-vanquisher-printed-kneeskin-purple/15636054.html

$150:
https://www.tyr.com/women-s-thresher-open-back-hyperblitz-titanium.html

(Most kids get kneeskins on sale)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many summer teams have "special lanes" for club swimmers. I feel like our club is about to have a parent mutiny.

We don't but it would be nice.

Agree with this. Or just some separation based on experience. My youngest is 8 and there's a huge range at this age. Some are consistently legal in all four strokes, while some are still dog paddling to get down the length of the pool. But they are all working on the same thing at the same time. They could easily have the 1-2 lanes with the more experienced kids work on refining their strokes and building a little stamina and putting together a 100 IM. They're trying to teach the group breaststroke kick right now, one lap at a time with very long breaks in between while they wait for everyone to finish. The kids who already know how to do it are bored and acting up while they wait for everyone. Save for the very naturally talented kids, the ones who just started swimming do not yet have the body awareness to get the hang of the kick/timing. They need a few more weeks of swimming every day to even get close to resembling the stroke. We have so many teen helper coaches on deck and they are not being used in the best way. They could easily have different groups doing different things.

Talk to your head coach! Ours is separated with fast lanes and lanes for kids who need more guidance. A lot of attention paid to the little kids too.

In all of my kids' sports I try to let the coaches coach and stay in my lane (ha) as a parent. It's a little painful with swimming because I do have a background in it and I see some easy fixes. Like the other week when it was still freezing and they decided to work on dives with the little kids. Why make them get out over and over and stand around taking turns when it's so cold? Who cares if they have ugly starts for time trials? It's not illegal to have an ugly start. Keep them in the water and work on things that will help them complete races legally (e.g. staying on back for backstroke finish). Our coaches are nice young people, but the common sense is a bit lacking sometimes. But I am trying not to be "that parent". I am better off not staying for practice now that the water is warmer and they won't be letting out early unexpectedly. Ignorance is bliss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NVSL should just ban them period.

Why? If parents want to be foolish to buy tech suits for their 12U so that they can squeeze into an A meet. So be it. At some point when the kids are older, they'll understand what is/isn't a tech suit, when is it appropriate to use one, etc. etc. Maybe they'll be embarassed by their parents' actions. Maybe they won't. Maybe they don't want other kids making fun of them. I don't know. I don't see a point to banning stupidity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tech suits only really get 6-8 races out of them so why would any parent have their kid wearing one for a MONDAY meet?

Do they stretch out or what?

They stretch and lose their hydrophobicity. It’s really a waste of money to wear a tech suit to a rec meet. And one could argue that it’s a waste of money in many USA swimming meets. USA swimming should maintain the ban on 12u unless you are wearing them at jr nationals or above and consider extending the ban to 13-14 unless you are wearing them at sectionals or above. I’m sure there are a lot of problems with the latter, but seeing slower than B swimmers spend $600 on a tech suit feels like they are getting scammed. Our club allows tech suits at championship meets and when swimmers are tapered for an attempt at a cut on an individual basis.

They still have a ban on actual tech suits for 12U. The 12Us wear kneeskins that are 12U legal and are not actual tech suits. If a parent has a B 13 and over swimmer and is still shelling out $600 for a real tech suit, that is on them. No one is scamming them, they just want to posture. My 13 and over swimmer is with a big club and when we are at meets with smaller clubs that have some slower swimmers they are often in tech suits but not the $600 version that the pros wear. Those are only expected to be worn by the swimmers in our highest level groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are conflating tech suits with 12Y approved kneeskins. Here is the difference:

Approved only for 13+

$300 on sale:
https://www.tyr.com/women-s-open-back-venzo.html

$500:
https://us.speedo.com/women-s-fastskin-lzr-pure-valor-2.0-openback-kneeskin-purple/15506206.html

$600:
https://www.tyr.com/tyr-women-s-venzotm-open-back-swimsuit-solid-non-pfas.html

$650: https://www.arenasport.com/en_us/008679-115-powerskin-primo-eclipse-glare-limited-edition-closed-back.html

Approved for 12U

$70:
https://us.speedo.com/women-s-vanquisher-solid-kneeskin-blue/15240207.html

$120: https://www.arenasport.com/en_us/005877-powerskin-st-2-0-next-eco-open-back-junior.html

$130:
https://www.tyr.com/tyr-women-s-fusion-2-aerofit-shortjohn-u12-compliant.html

$150:
https://us.speedo.com/women-s-vanquisher-printed-kneeskin-purple/15636054.html

$150:
https://www.tyr.com/women-s-thresher-open-back-hyperblitz-titanium.html

(Most kids get kneeskins on sale)

Other companies also carry only 13+ tech suits. Dressel and Huske are now with Deboer:
$500: https://deboerswim.com/collections/swim-racing/products/womens-3dium-openback

Others like Mizuno:
$440: https://mizunousa.com/swim-wmn-gx-sonic-6-cr

Or Finis:
$600: https://www.finisswim.com/HydroX-Openback-Kneeskin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tech suits only really get 6-8 races out of them so why would any parent have their kid wearing one for a MONDAY meet?

Do they stretch out or what?

They stretch and lose their hydrophobicity. It’s really a waste of money to wear a tech suit to a rec meet. And one could argue that it’s a waste of money in many USA swimming meets. USA swimming should maintain the ban on 12u unless you are wearing them at jr nationals or above and consider extending the ban to 13-14 unless you are wearing them at sectionals or above. I’m sure there are a lot of problems with the latter, but seeing slower than B swimmers spend $600 on a tech suit feels like they are getting scammed. Our club allows tech suits at championship meets and when swimmers are tapered for an attempt at a cut on an individual basis.

The club swimmers I know that wear tech suits to summer meets are typically wearing old suits that have lost their benefits and ability to repel water. There’s no way they care so much about summer swim to waste a good tech suits!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tech suit sighting on a 10 year old at our B meet last night…🙄🙄🙄

So I’m pretty sure this is about my child (10 year old wearing a knee suit at a B meet). Child is gender non-conforming and is wearing it to make swim feel feasible. There is zero chance child is making an A meet, and that was by no means the goal. But thanks for the judgment—love how “welcoming” summer swim is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tech suit sighting on a 10 year old at our B meet last night…🙄🙄🙄

So I’m pretty sure this is about my child (10 year old wearing a knee suit at a B meet). Child is gender non-conforming and is wearing it to make swim feel feasible. There is zero chance child is making an A meet, and that was by no means the goal. But thanks for the judgment—love how “welcoming” summer swim is.

Not about your kid. It’s about a kid whose parent is obsessed with their place on the ladder to the point of putting them in e tech suit to ensure that they are on the mixed age relay. Also is doing other crazy things for that reason.