Summer swim brings out the crazy

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Let’s hear about the other crazy things, please share

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Anonymous wrote:Tech suits only really get 6-8 races out of them so why would any parent have their kid wearing one for a MONDAY meet?

Do they stretch out or what?

They stretch and lose their hydrophobicity. It’s really a waste of money to wear a tech suit to a rec meet. And one could argue that it’s a waste of money in many USA swimming meets. USA swimming should maintain the ban on 12u unless you are wearing them at jr nationals or above and consider extending the ban to 13-14 unless you are wearing them at sectionals or above. I’m sure there are a lot of problems with the latter, but seeing slower than B swimmers spend $600 on a tech suit feels like they are getting scammed. Our club allows tech suits at championship meets and when swimmers are tapered for an attempt at a cut on an individual basis.

They still have a ban on actual tech suits for 12U. The 12Us wear kneeskins that are 12U legal and are not actual tech suits. If a parent has a B 13 and over swimmer and is still shelling out $600 for a real tech suit, that is on them. No one is scamming them, they just want to posture. My 13 and over swimmer is with a big club and when we are at meets with smaller clubs that have some slower swimmers they are often in tech suits but not the $600 version that the pros wear. Those are only expected to be worn by the swimmers in our highest level groups.

Yes, that’s why I said MAINTAIN the ban on 12U. And the very reason why USA swimming banned tech suits for 12U is the same reason they should ban them for 13-14 year olds as well - it promotes expensive equipment at a young age for little benefit. I have a 16 year old futures cut swimmer we bought a bunch of suits when we were on vacation in Japan - $420 suit usd cost only $180 there. USA swimming would help both club and rec swim culture out by banning them for 13-14.

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Anonymous wrote:Tech suit sighting on a 10 year old at our B meet last night…🙄🙄🙄

So I’m pretty sure this is about my child (10 year old wearing a knee suit at a B meet). Child is gender non-conforming and is wearing it to make swim feel feasible. There is zero chance child is making an A meet, and that was by no means the goal. But thanks for the judgment—love how “welcoming” summer swim is.

This. I have a kid who is sensitive about their weight and they feel much more comfortable in a knee skin. People need to STFU and mind their own business.

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Anonymous wrote:The cost isn’t the issue. The issue is the mindset “I must be atop the ladder, so I’ll gain any advantage by wearing a tech suit, when every other kid wears a training suit.” Great frickin teammate.

tech suits may take off a second or two but they aren't going to make a slow kid faster.

For 12U, very rare for a tech suit to make a difference (and no difference for 10U)...why? tech suit is about compression. So unless the kid has some above-average physical maturity, a tech suit isn't going to do anything. Now if the parent is encouraging a kid to wear tech suit for mindset purposes then that's probably not a whole lot different from parents trying to incentivize their kids to swim faster by buying them treats or gifts.

The 12U "tech suits" aren't actually tech suits. You can usually pick them up for $80. They are really popular for club meets. My kid wears one just because all his friends do. He really wanted one and after a year or two of club swim we agreed to get him one since he's so into the sport. He's not fast, and I can't imagine it makes a difference other than maybe a slight psychological boost. Some come in cool colors and patterns and they are just fun. In short, a lot of kids just like wearing them when they race and that includes *gasp* B meets.

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Anonymous wrote:The cost isn’t the issue. The issue is the mindset “I must be atop the ladder, so I’ll gain any advantage by wearing a tech suit, when every other kid wears a training suit.” Great frickin teammate.

tech suits may take off a second or two but they aren't going to make a slow kid faster.

For 12U, very rare for a tech suit to make a difference (and no difference for 10U)...why? tech suit is about compression. So unless the kid has some above-average physical maturity, a tech suit isn't going to do anything. Now if the parent is encouraging a kid to wear tech suit for mindset purposes then that's probably not a whole lot different from parents trying to incentivize their kids to swim faster by buying them treats or gifts.

The 12U "tech suits" aren't actually tech suits. You can usually pick them up for $80. They are really popular for club meets. My kid wears one just because all his friends do. He really wanted one and after a year or two of club swim we agreed to get him one since he's so into the sport. He's not fast, and I can't imagine it makes a difference other than maybe a slight psychological boost. Some come in cool colors and patterns and they are just fun. In short, a lot of kids just like wearing them when they race and that includes *gasp* B meets.

The rec league rule about kneeskin suits seems to be more about the appearance of haves/have nots than about an unfair advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:The cost isn’t the issue. The issue is the mindset “I must be atop the ladder, so I’ll gain any advantage by wearing a tech suit, when every other kid wears a training suit.” Great frickin teammate.

tech suits may take off a second or two but they aren't going to make a slow kid faster.

For 12U, very rare for a tech suit to make a difference (and no difference for 10U)...why? tech suit is about compression. So unless the kid has some above-average physical maturity, a tech suit isn't going to do anything. Now if the parent is encouraging a kid to wear tech suit for mindset purposes then that's probably not a whole lot different from parents trying to incentivize their kids to swim faster by buying them treats or gifts.

The 12U "tech suits" aren't actually tech suits. You can usually pick them up for $80. They are really popular for club meets. My kid wears one just because all his friends do. He really wanted one and after a year or two of club swim we agreed to get him one since he's so into the sport. He's not fast, and I can't imagine it makes a difference other than maybe a slight psychological boost. Some come in cool colors and patterns and they are just fun. In short, a lot of kids just like wearing them when they race and that includes *gasp* B meets.

The rec league rule about kneeskin suits seems to be more about the appearance of haves/have nots than about an unfair advantage.

What rec league rule?

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Anonymous wrote:The cost isn’t the issue. The issue is the mindset “I must be atop the ladder, so I’ll gain any advantage by wearing a tech suit, when every other kid wears a training suit.” Great frickin teammate.

tech suits may take off a second or two but they aren't going to make a slow kid faster.

For 12U, very rare for a tech suit to make a difference (and no difference for 10U)...why? tech suit is about compression. So unless the kid has some above-average physical maturity, a tech suit isn't going to do anything. Now if the parent is encouraging a kid to wear tech suit for mindset purposes then that's probably not a whole lot different from parents trying to incentivize their kids to swim faster by buying them treats or gifts.

The 12U "tech suits" aren't actually tech suits. You can usually pick them up for $80. They are really popular for club meets. My kid wears one just because all his friends do. He really wanted one and after a year or two of club swim we agreed to get him one since he's so into the sport. He's not fast, and I can't imagine it makes a difference other than maybe a slight psychological boost. Some come in cool colors and patterns and they are just fun. In short, a lot of kids just like wearing them when they race and that includes *gasp* B meets.

The rec league rule about kneeskin suits seems to be more about the appearance of haves/have nots than about an unfair advantage.

Do you mean the USA Swimming Rule, which rec leagues may adopt?

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How about the board who doesn’t know what they’re doing and insists on ordering around all the other experienced volunteers, the parent cliques who want influence and want their kids to coach, and the team social media with the volunteer who posts tons of pictures of their own children (and friends).

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Anonymous wrote:How about the board who doesn’t know what they’re doing and insists on ordering around all the other experienced volunteers, the parent cliques who want influence and want their kids to coach, and the team social media with the volunteer who posts tons of pictures of their own children (and friends).

Gotta get an early start on NIL $$$$$

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Anonymous wrote:How about the board who doesn’t know what they’re doing and insists on ordering around all the other experienced volunteers, the parent cliques who want influence and want their kids to coach, and the team social media with the volunteer who posts tons of pictures of their own children (and friends).

You have a swim team board?

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Anonymous wrote:The cost isn’t the issue. The issue is the mindset “I must be atop the ladder, so I’ll gain any advantage by wearing a tech suit, when every other kid wears a training suit.” Great frickin teammate.

tech suits may take off a second or two but they aren't going to make a slow kid faster.

For 12U, very rare for a tech suit to make a difference (and no difference for 10U)...why? tech suit is about compression. So unless the kid has some above-average physical maturity, a tech suit isn't going to do anything. Now if the parent is encouraging a kid to wear tech suit for mindset purposes then that's probably not a whole lot different from parents trying to incentivize their kids to swim faster by buying them treats or gifts.

The 12U "tech suits" aren't actually tech suits. You can usually pick them up for $80. They are really popular for club meets. My kid wears one just because all his friends do. He really wanted one and after a year or two of club swim we agreed to get him one since he's so into the sport. He's not fast, and I can't imagine it makes a difference other than maybe a slight psychological boost. Some come in cool colors and patterns and they are just fun. In short, a lot of kids just like wearing them when they race and that includes *gasp* B meets.

The rec league rule about kneeskin suits seems to be more about the appearance of haves/have nots than about an unfair advantage.

Do you mean the USA Swimming Rule, which rec leagues may adopt?

MCSL 2025 Handbook:

No technical suit shall be worn by any 12 and under MCSL athlete in competition at any dual meet, division relay meet, division championship meet, Coaches Invitational Long Course Meet, All Star Relay and Individual All Star meets.

o A Technical Suit is one that has the following components: ▪ Any suit with bonded or taped seams regardless of its fabric or silhouette; ▪ Any suit with woven fabric extending past the hips

▪Note WOVEN FABRIC: A suit with woven fabric and sewn seems that does not extend below the hips is permitted
▪Note KNIT FABRIC: A suit with knit fabric and sewn seems not extending below the knees is permitted

Rule 2.f Penalty: Any violation of rule 2.e will result in disqualification without further warning except a swimmer that is observed to violate rule 2.e.4, 2.e.5 or 2.e.12 shall receive one warning to correct the uniform. If the observation of a violation occurs before the event, the swimmer shall correct the uniform before the start of the race. If the observation of the violation occurs after the start of an event, then the swimmer must correct the violation prior to their next event. Failure to correct the violation after a warning prior to an event will result in disqualification in that event. A brief delay to allow inverting a swim cap is appropriate. A delay to allow changing a swimsuit is not appropriate.

12 and under technical suit prohibition: Virtually all suits that fall within the definition of restricted have a FINA approved logo. Suits with the FINA logo that are considered legal for 12 and under use have an additional green checkmark logo in conjunction with the FINA logo. FINA logo only: not legal for 12 and unders to wear in MCSL competition.

FINA logo and green check mark: legal for 12 and unders to wear in MCSL competition. If there is no FINA logo and no green checkmark or you are unsure regarding the material composition or legality of a suit, 4 then the swimmer gets the benefit of the doubt. The burden is on the parents, coaches and swimmers to know if a suit is legal prior to competition. Officials are not suit police. Any concern about a suit should be brought to the attention of the Referee.

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FINA logo and green check mark: legal for 12 and unders to wear in MCSL competition.

Yep, very likely that the suit that a PP was freaking out over had a green tick.

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FINA logo and green check mark: legal for 12 and unders to wear in MCSL competition.

Yep, very likely that the suit that a PP was freaking out over had a green tick.

And they don’t have to contain the green check to be legal. Some of the newer Arena Powerskin Nexts do not have the check, but they are legal.

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FINA logo and green check mark: legal for 12 and unders to wear in MCSL competition.

Yep, very likely that the suit that a PP was freaking out over had a green tick.

And they don’t have to contain the green check to be legal. Some of the newer Arena Powerskin Nexts do not have the check, but they are legal.

It depends where you get it. If you buy the same suit sold in the U.S. as 12U approved, but you buy it from the UK, it won’t have the check mark.

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Our summer swim team only allows them at Divisionals and All Stars. It would be fine if everyone in NVSL had the same rules. Annoying when swimming against teams that allow them. Just be consistent.