Tuckahoe Boots Machine

[Anonymous]

Yeah, totally the same. Because the money from club comes from who holds pool time for long course. Not having full autonomy year round over an indoor facility.

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Anonymous wrote:IME most club coaches also coach at a summer team and do some “recruiting” for their club team. It’s been like that since the beginning of NVSL.

I’m not sure I really understand the difference with Tuckahoe’s summer team and the new club team. The only difference is the club team practices at the same facility as the summer team?

It’s a nothing burger…

Do they run a club? Don’t think so.

Seriously? Cough cough Dan at VAC.

That’s actually a great example. Similarly vw used to rent the pool to York a couple days a week for long course practice. Dan becomes coach at vw and now it’s only used for machine…. T is following the machine playbook…

York practices LC at VW in the summer. At least the last few years they have.

[Anonymous]

Dear Tuckahoe,

You created a mess with your fake, “separate” Hydra swim club. Just embrace it for what it is (a Tuckahoe year round competitive swim team) instead of trying to justify it…it’s a much better look than what you are currently doing.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for explaining that. You do realize that there is a difference between Club swimmers participating in summer recreation swim and a summer recreational swim club forming a year round competition team in order to dominate the summer recreational season….

Y’all take summer swim way too seriously and give it an inflated sense of importance. This new club is not being formed in order to “dominate summer recreational swimming”. I would say this coach is ambitious and wants to have his own year round club and is hoping he can persuade some of his summer swimmers to join him in his year round venture to ensure it succeeds.

I agree with this. He saw a way to break into a tough market (club swim with limited pool availability) and used his personal relationships to get there. Not the first person to do this and won't be the last. Good on him I guess.

The hardest part about starting a club that sticks is pool time. He has acquired pool time. This is his shot to make it on his own. I can’t blame him for taking the opportunity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IME most club coaches also coach at a summer team and do some “recruiting” for their club team. It’s been like that since the beginning of NVSL.

I’m not sure I really understand the difference with Tuckahoe’s summer team and the new club team. The only difference is the club team practices at the same facility as the summer team?

It’s a nothing burger…

Do they run a club? Don’t think so.

The whole Hydra/Tuckahoe situation has already played out in NVSL once before.

Bob York founded York Swim Club in 1981. He coached Overlee from 1980-1985. So yes, an NVSL Div 1 coach did run a winter club team before - facts.

Bob’s situation 40 years ago is in no way relevant to the current Hydra situation. You’re comparing apples and hand grenades.

Which of the situations is the hand grenade?

[Anonymous]

The only difference I see between the York situation and the Hydra situation is the location of the facilities. Hydra is practicing over the winter at the same summer league facilities and York had to rent space elsewhere. Both Hydra and York rented facilities. Both were D1 coaches “running” their own clubs.

Does the location of the rental facility really matter that much? People carpool and drive to the facilities regardless.

[Anonymous]

If someone wants a vertically integrated (ahem..”aligned”) approach to private, summer rec, club, and facility then great. if Tuckahoe can pull this off without its members subsidizing supposedly separate business entities, cool. I’m sure in the history of business this isn’t the first incestuous arrangement of its kind and nor will it be the last.

[Anonymous]

I just think it is incredibly irresponsible for the Tuckahoe Board to give one individual so much control over their pool club. He is now their head swim coach, pool manager, swim school director, and year round PVS Swim Club head.

It is a lot of power to give someone with a questionable reputation within the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just think it is incredibly irresponsible for the Tuckahoe Board to give one individual so much control over their pool club. He is now their head swim coach, pool manager, swim school director, and year round PVS Swim Club head.

It is a lot of power to give someone with a questionable reputation within the community.

What happened to their pool manager? I thought T ran coaching and lessons.

[Anonymous]

He has his hands in EVERYTHING at Toreyhoe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He has his hands in EVERYTHING at Toreyhoe

Like tennis and the grill and basic pool maintenance and operations. And mini golf of course.

He is responsible for lessons and coaching. Kudos that his hardwork gives the impression he does so much, but Tuckahoe is much much bigger than one person.

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Anonymous wrote:IME most club coaches also coach at a summer team and do some “recruiting” for their club team. It’s been like that since the beginning of NVSL.

I’m not sure I really understand the difference with Tuckahoe’s summer team and the new club team. The only difference is the club team practices at the same facility as the summer team?

It’s a nothing burger…

Do they run a club? Don’t think so.

The whole Hydra/Tuckahoe situation has already played out in NVSL once before.

Bob York founded York Swim Club in 1981. He coached Overlee from 1980-1985. So yes, an NVSL Div 1 coach did run a winter club team before - facts.

Bob’s situation 40 years ago is in no way relevant to the current Hydra situation. You’re comparing apples and hand grenades.

Which of the situations is the hand grenade?

Did York swim club use the Overlee facilities in the winter? Did Bob use shady dealings in order to gain pool time at Yorktown and Providence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IME most club coaches also coach at a summer team and do some “recruiting” for their club team. It’s been like that since the beginning of NVSL.

I’m not sure I really understand the difference with Tuckahoe’s summer team and the new club team. The only difference is the club team practices at the same facility as the summer team?

It’s a nothing burger…

Do they run a club? Don’t think so.

The whole Hydra/Tuckahoe situation has already played out in NVSL once before.

Bob York founded York Swim Club in 1981. He coached Overlee from 1980-1985. So yes, an NVSL Div 1 coach did run a winter club team before - facts.

Bob’s situation 40 years ago is in no way relevant to the current Hydra situation. You’re comparing apples and hand grenades.

Which of the situations is the hand grenade?

Did York swim club use the Overlee facilities in the winter? Did Bob use shady dealings in order to gain pool time at Yorktown and Providence?

Speaking of which, when is Overlee going to install heaters and stay open longer? This seems like a no brainer for the members and could potentially serve as another additional space for club swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:IME most club coaches also coach at a summer team and do some “recruiting” for their club team. It’s been like that since the beginning of NVSL.

I’m not sure I really understand the difference with Tuckahoe’s summer team and the new club team. The only difference is the club team practices at the same facility as the summer team?

It’s a nothing burger…

Do they run a club? Don’t think so.

The whole Hydra/Tuckahoe situation has already played out in NVSL once before.

Bob York founded York Swim Club in 1981. He coached Overlee from 1980-1985. So yes, an NVSL Div 1 coach did run a winter club team before - facts.

Bob’s situation 40 years ago is in no way relevant to the current Hydra situation. You’re comparing apples and hand grenades.

Which of the situations is the hand grenade?

Did York swim club use the Overlee facilities in the winter? Did Bob use shady dealings in order to gain pool time at Yorktown and Providence?

Speaking of which, when is Overlee going to install heaters and stay open longer? This seems like a no brainer for the members and could potentially serve as another additional space for club swimming.

??? the Overlee lap pool is heated. They have an extended season- from April to mid october which members pay more for...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just think it is incredibly irresponsible for the Tuckahoe Board to give one individual so much control over their pool club. He is now their head swim coach, pool manager, swim school director, and year round PVS Swim Club head.

It is a lot of power to give someone with a questionable reputation within the community.

Power? He is an employee (of the Board) in 3 of the 4 roles.