RTO EO is up

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Lol. Professional here working in a professional office. I use a computer based time system. Supervisors have ALWAYS used the term "time card," and I've been here for over 12 years. The term itself might not be keeping with the times, but people use it all the time nonetheless.

Only time I had a time card was working at McDonald's in HS in the 80s. No one has used the term in any time office since.

Clearly you’re not a fed, so why are you on this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Well if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.

You pay taxes where you live, not where you work. It doesn’t matter if you go into the office or not.

This is not always true. Definitely pay taxes where you live and work depending on certain factors.

[Anonymous]

I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

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We have an all hands meeting today. I've been working remotely since 3/20. I work on a small team with 8 other team members. I've been wanting to go back in for awhile now, but none of the others are. We all work above 40+ hours and do whatever it takes to get the job done. This is in IT now. If we're made to go back in productivity will definetely take a hit, and we'll use some very senior folks. Some who have moved to GA, SFL etc. Oops, time for my 8am meeting.

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* use - loose

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

no, their stated position is to “torture” federal employees. (As stated by the OMB nominee Vought.) and the purpose is to score political points by attacking what is perceived as a Democratic institution.

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Well if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.

You pay taxes where you live, not where you work. It doesn’t matter if you go into the office or not.

This is not always true. Definitely pay taxes where you live and work depending on certain factors.

The PP claimed “if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.” This is laughably false. Stop trying to move the goalposts and justify PPs ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Lol. Professional here working in a professional office. I use a computer based time system. Supervisors have ALWAYS used the term "time card," and I've been here for over 12 years. The term itself might not be keeping with the times, but people use it all the time nonetheless.

Same. Worked as a defense contractor for 15+ years, three different companies, multiple projects. Everyone refers to it as time card. Obviously it’s a portal, not a physical card you punch in/out with.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

no, their stated position is to “torture” federal employees. (As stated by the OMB nominee Vought.) and the purpose is to score political points by attacking what is perceived as a Democratic institution.

And there is nothing good about putting more cars on the road.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

How will we be better going into stores. That takes time and costs more. And, the commute is bad for the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:We have an all hands meeting today. I've been working remotely since 3/20. I work on a small team with 8 other team members. I've been wanting to go back in for awhile now, but none of the others are. We all work above 40+ hours and do whatever it takes to get the job done. This is in IT now. If we're made to go back in productivity will definetely take a hit, and we'll use some very senior folks. Some who have moved to GA, SFL etc. Oops, time for my 8am meeting.

If you want to go it, great, go but don’t impose it on others. And, don’t expect someone to work more than 40 hours plus commute when you can get that extra work time in instead of the commute.

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

Why do you keep assuming people wouldn't put down situational telework on their timesheets?

If people refuse to come in, that's still a conduct issue that you can be fired for, but it isn't time sheet fraud.

My large Department does put situational telework on our time cards. Our time cards have to show which days we teleworked vs came into the office. If they don’t match, we can be fired. And yes- it’s “timesheet fraud”.

Feds aren’t like the private sector and we do have timesheets. Mine only says 8 hours a day and I don’t have to clock in but it’s still a timesheet.

Right. Mine has different timecodes whether we're teleworking or onsite. If I work two days onsite, I'll charge two days to the onsite code and the rest to the telework code. Perhaps I'll be fired for insubordination but I'm not sure why people are so hung up on the time cards. (Which is what in my office we colloquially call the online system where we enter the hours we work each day, charged appropriately to the program and the working position.)

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Well if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.

You pay taxes where you live, not where you work. It doesn’t matter if you go into the office or not.

This is not always true. Definitely pay taxes where you live and work depending on certain factors.

The PP claimed “if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.” This is laughably false. Stop trying to move the goalposts and justify PPs ignorance.

+1 If you are a Fed living in MD or VA and your duty station is DC, you don't pay DC income taxes. This is an arrangement with the District, I'm not sure if this applies to more states. But different states have different arrangements. When I lived in MD and worked in DE, and when I lived in VA but worked in MD, I definitely filed in both states.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad I got my popcorn early.

Does it turn you on when other people’s lives are upended?

Drama llama? RTO is hardly an upending - have some perspective

I haven’t been complaining too much about this, mostly because I’ve felt very lucky to be a remote worker and knew it would end someday, but don’t minimize it but saying it doesn’t upend things. I’ll spend 2ish less hours/day with my kids, who are young and still want to spend time with me. My young kids routine is going to change quite a bit (only one parent at home in the morning, most likely) which will be stressful and require adjustment. I haven’t yet figured out a way to keep the exercise routine I’ve had for 2+ years that has greatly improved my physical and mental health, and see my kids at all on those days. And we have a dog who does not enjoy being alone all day.

These are all the problems of privilege, and I recognize that. They still create stress and disruption.

One thing for sure - I’m cutting back to working 40 hours per week!

Cry
Me a River

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

This why people hate government workers