RTO EO is up

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

Why do you keep assuming people wouldn't put down situational telework on their timesheets?

If people refuse to come in, that's still a conduct issue that you can be fired for, but it isn't time sheet fraud.

+1 and I think there is very little stigma to being fired under this Administration. I'm my field it wouldn't make it much harder to find a new job vs just quitting. So many ppl will be eliminated for political issues outside their control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

[Anonymous]

EO didn’t mention legislative agencies only executive

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Well if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Well if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.

You pay taxes where you live, not where you work. It doesn’t matter if you go into the office or not.

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Well if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.

Nope. You don't know how taxes work. DC doesn't tax non-residents who work there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Lol. Professional here working in a professional office. I use a computer based time system. Supervisors have ALWAYS used the term "time card," and I've been here for over 12 years. The term itself might not be keeping with the times, but people use it all the time nonetheless.

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Well if you live in VA or MD and your duty station is DC it’s definitely tax fraud.

You pay taxes where you live, not where you work. It doesn’t matter if you go into the office or not.

This is true in MD, DC, and VA because there is a tax treaty between those jurisdictions. That is not the law nationwide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Lol. Professional here working in a professional office. I use a computer based time system. Supervisors have ALWAYS used the term "time card," and I've been here for over 12 years. The term itself might not be keeping with the times, but people use it all the time nonetheless.

Only time I had a time card was working at McDonald's in HS in the 80s. No one has used the term in any time office since.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Lol. Professional here working in a professional office. I use a computer based time system. Supervisors have ALWAYS used the term "time card," and I've been here for over 12 years. The term itself might not be keeping with the times, but people use it all the time nonetheless.

Only time I had a time card was working at McDonald's in HS in the 80s. No one has used the term in any time office since.

We use the term “timesheet”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s funny to me is the administration is also interested in moving federal jobs out of DC. Wouldn’t remote work help you accomplish this with the astronomical cost of office space and infrastructure in a new state where the agency does already have a field office?

You’re assuming they want things to actually work. They don’t. They just want to destroy everything. They don’t really believe in government except for the military and having just enough sycophants to carry out the whim of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s funny to me is the administration is also interested in moving federal jobs out of DC. Wouldn’t remote work help you accomplish this with the astronomical cost of office space and infrastructure in a new state where the agency does already have a field office?

You’re assuming they want things to actually work. They don’t. They just want to destroy everything. They don’t really believe in government except for the military and having just enough sycophants to carry out the whim of the day.

Sure you’re not projecting?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s funny to me is the administration is also interested in moving federal jobs out of DC. Wouldn’t remote work help you accomplish this with the astronomical cost of office space and infrastructure in a new state where the agency does already have a field office?

You’re assuming they want things to actually work. They don’t. They just want to destroy everything. They don’t really believe in government except for the military and having just enough sycophants to carry out the whim of the day.

Sure you’re not projecting?

DP, and yes I’m sure. Everyone can see this for what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

I think your terminology is just wrong. Time card is something that geta punched in by employees when arriving at work. Most professional offices just use a database time keeping system that no one would refer to as a time card I do agree it would be fraud to say you were in the office while working at home though.

Lol. Professional here working in a professional office. I use a computer based time system. Supervisors have ALWAYS used the term "time card," and I've been here for over 12 years. The term itself might not be keeping with the times, but people use it all the time nonetheless.

Only time I had a time card was working at McDonald's in HS in the 80s. No one has used the term in any time office since.

If a federal agency uses ITAS, it is literally called a time card.

If you don’t know the context, don’t assert that you know the truth about something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

Why do you keep assuming people wouldn't put down situational telework on their timesheets?

If people refuse to come in, that's still a conduct issue that you can be fired for, but it isn't time sheet fraud.

My large Department does put situational telework on our time cards. Our time cards have to show which days we teleworked vs came into the office. If they don’t match, we can be fired. And yes- it’s “timesheet fraud”.

Feds aren’t like the private sector and we do have timesheets. Mine only says 8 hours a day and I don’t have to clock in but it’s still a timesheet.