Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

Was your baby dead for a long time? How much did it decompose?

[Anonymous]

How did the police end up at this woman’s home? Did she call 911 for help herself?

If so, and if she ended up being criminalized for this, add this to the long list of reasons that black people do not trust law enforcement or the legal and judicial system in this country. Alot also don’t trust the medical establishments either, and this case is an example of why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

All the articles that I have read said the pregnancy was non viable. Where are you getting that there was no heartbeat?

Posters are making all kinds of details about this story that just don't exist. Nowhere does it say that doctors didn't provide care. It only says she went to two hospitals. Why would she go to two different hospitals anyway. There's usually just one reason for that. Nowhere did it say that those visits actually even had anything to do with labor, D&C, any of it. Just so much conjecture in order to fit this story into proabortion agenda. Such idealogues, with no ability for reasoning or thinking for themselves. It's sad, really.

Where does it say she went to two different hospitals?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does "went on with her day" mean went to a minimum wage job from which she would have been fired if she called off without notice?

How would we know if it did, or didn't?

+1

The insane amount of reaching here just keeps getting better and better.

As long as you get #theagenda right.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% pro choice. What she did was wrong no matter how you try and twist it.

Felony-level “wrong”?

Still waiting to hear if PP thinks this is felony-level “wrong”.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

All the articles that I have read said the pregnancy was non viable. Where are you getting that there was no heartbeat?

From the OP article:
“ Forensic pathologist Dr. George Sterbenz testified an autopsy found no injury to the fetus, and that the unborn fetus had died before passing through the birth canal.”

Interesting. So was she arrested because the cops were mad or grossed out by the sight of what was in the toilet? Seems the police conference embellished some details.

I don't think anyone would know what to do about a stillbirth after doctors just send you home. We aren't farmers anymore delivering babies at home.

+1 And there are a bunch of posters saying that we should know exactly what do do while not saying what that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did the police end up at this woman’s home? Did she call 911 for help herself?

If so, and if she ended up being criminalized for this, add this to the long list of reasons that black people do not trust law enforcement or the legal and judicial system in this country. Alot also don’t trust the medical establishments either, and this case is an example of why.

Someone way upthread indicated that the address the police were called to is a Catholic home for poor women and children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

Very sorry about your baby. At least you had the luxury of being in a hospital to receive care, painkillers, deliver her on a bed, and where a nurse cleaned and dressed her to give back you to to hold. That is right and proper.

No one sent you home to deliver your preemie into a toilet with the expectations of you having fish it out with your own hand amidst all the blood, clots, uterine tissue, placenta, fecal matter, urine, and toilet paper in the water.

When you've experienced that horror story, without having any spouse or friendly faces next to you to help you out, come back and tell us about how we are all inhuman for supporting a woman who did go through it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did the police end up at this woman’s home? Did she call 911 for help herself?

If so, and if she ended up being criminalized for this, add this to the long list of reasons that black people do not trust law enforcement or the legal and judicial system in this country. Alot also don’t trust the medical establishments either, and this case is an example of why.

Someone way upthread indicated that the address the police were called to is a Catholic home for poor women and children.

Some judgmental Catholic a-hole called the police?

[Anonymous]

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

If this woman’s 20-22 week unviable fetus body was so important, then why didn’t the doctors at the hospital keep her there until this fetus passed, and give the mother and the fetus the dignity you feel they deserved?

Your blame on this mother is misplaced. You should blame the medical team and Ohio lawmakers that created this no-win situation for this mother and the fetus.

How do you know they didn’t offer to keep her, and she refused?

Show us the proof that they did.

Show the proof that they didn’t.

That’s the whole point. WE DON’T KNOW

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

What do hospitals and medical centers do with dead fetuses, that aren’t turned over to the family for burial or cremation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

What do hospitals and medical centers do with dead fetuses, that aren’t turned over to the family for burial or cremation?

Not flush it down the toilet. But that’s just a guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.