Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

All the articles that I have read said the pregnancy was non viable. Where are you getting that there was no heartbeat?

Posters are making all kinds of details about this story that just don't exist. Nowhere does it say that doctors didn't provide care. It only says she went to two hospitals. Why would she go to two different hospitals anyway. There's usually just one reason for that. Nowhere did it say that those visits actually even had anything to do with labor, D&C, any of it. Just so much conjecture in order to fit this story into proabortion agenda. Such idealogues, with no ability for reasoning or thinking for themselves. It's sad, really.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

Wait what? This escalated quickly. IF (big if), why would she motivated to hide the drug in system issue? Are dead babies tested for drugs?

Pp invented that. There’s no indications of that being an issue, and she had gone to the hospital twice for this issue.

PP thinks everyone from Ohio are doing drugs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

If this woman’s 20-22 week unviable fetus body was so important, then why didn’t the doctors at the hospital keep her there until this fetus passed, and give the mother and the fetus the dignity you feel they deserved?

Your blame on this mother is misplaced. You should blame the medical team and Ohio lawmakers that created this no-win situation for this mother and the fetus.

How do you know they didn’t offer to keep her, and she refused?

I’m sure if she had left the hospital against medical advice, that would have been part of the prosecutor’s case.

How do you know it's not? If she had sought care for delivering a baby and been turned away, told to deliver a baby at home, then flush it down the toilet, then the police would not have been called and she would not be being prosecuted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

Wait what? This escalated quickly. IF (big if), why would she motivated to hide the drug in system issue? Are dead babies tested for drugs?

Pp invented that. There’s no indications of that being an issue, and she had gone to the hospital twice for this issue.

PP thinks everyone from Ohio are doing drugs.

More likely PP thought that mothers who flush babies down the toilet could be on drugs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I realize this might be a macabre question, but I would think that intent would have to be 100% certain before charging any crime involving corpse desecration. (There must be all sorts of accidents and problems transporting and burying the deceased, I hate to even think...) And even assuming that somehow intent to desecrate was somehow shown here, why is "flushing" a corpse any worse than e.g. burning a corpse or digging a hole in the back yard. Is there even any law yet at what point a miscarriage requires a "proper burial" or whatever else apparently is deemed necessary here. This whole case is absurd from top to bottom.

This was clearly some sort of punishment for the abortion that lawmakers think this (black) mother was attempting to receive and/or self-adminiarwe with respect to an already dead fetus. None of this otherwise makes any sense.

I think the people prosecuting this are men, who have no idea what a miscarriage is like. Honestly, before I had mine I would have been clueless about the process myself. But when I miscarried at 11 weeks, the remains went into the toilet and all I could do was to flush them. I could totally see this happening to this woman, after having been sent home from the hospital twice. I’m disgusted that they would try to prosecute her for this.

You have no understanding of just how different a baby is at 22 weeks gestation, even 20, than at 11. It's not remotely comparable. But you're right that there is certainly more to this story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

It was never legally a person so not a “corpse”.

Certainly not a FELONY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

[Anonymous]

Teen moms often try flushing as well. It’s lack of support and care that drives women to this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

Wait what? This escalated quickly. IF (big if), why would she motivated to hide the drug in system issue? Are dead babies tested for drugs?

Pp invented that. There’s no indications of that being an issue, and she had gone to the hospital twice for this issue.

PP thinks everyone from Ohio are doing drugs.

More likely PP thought that mothers who flush babies down the toilet could be on drugs.

We don’t know what happened.

Making accusations like that in this situation are disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

Wait what? This escalated quickly. IF (big if), why would she motivated to hide the drug in system issue? Are dead babies tested for drugs?

When the mothers may be drug users and are flushing their babies down the toilet, yes.

Why are you calling this mother a drug user? State your sources and check your racial bias. Disgusting.

None of the sources I’ve read or watched mention any drug use. Stop spreading lies and propaganda.

I know you find it hard to stick to the facts when you’re agenda is not supported by them, but you need to do better. You’re shameful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

So since it was non-viable you're allowed to beat it up with a plunger since it was already dead?

NOPE. You're not.

No it means it was decomposing in her body and not growing.

You have absolutely no idea when the fetus died. You can carry a non viable pregnancy to term. I think people are confusing non viable with dead.

Doctor testified before the judge that the fetus was dead when it was expelled from her body. So it could have died any time in the previous 2 weeks or so (from the last time she went to ER about her symptoms).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

All the articles that I have read said the pregnancy was non viable. Where are you getting that there was no heartbeat?

From the OP article:
“ Forensic pathologist Dr. George Sterbenz testified an autopsy found no injury to the fetus, and that the unborn fetus had died before passing through the birth canal.”

Interesting. So was she arrested because the cops were mad or grossed out by the sight of what was in the toilet? Seems the police conference embellished some details.

I don't think anyone would know what to do about a stillbirth after doctors just send you home. We aren't farmers anymore delivering babies at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

If this woman’s 20-22 week unviable fetus body was so important, then why didn’t the doctors at the hospital keep her there until this fetus passed, and give the mother and the fetus the dignity you feel they deserved?

Your blame on this mother is misplaced. You should blame the medical team and Ohio lawmakers that created this no-win situation for this mother and the fetus.

How do you know they didn’t offer to keep her, and she refused?

Show us the proof that they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

All the articles that I have read said the pregnancy was non viable. Where are you getting that there was no heartbeat?

Posters are making all kinds of details about this story that just don't exist. Nowhere does it say that doctors didn't provide care. It only says she went to two hospitals. Why would she go to two different hospitals anyway. There's usually just one reason for that. Nowhere did it say that those visits actually even had anything to do with labor, D&C, any of it. Just so much conjecture in order to fit this story into proabortion agenda. Such idealogues, with no ability for reasoning or thinking for themselves. It's sad, really.

Why would she go to 2 different hospitals? Are you kidding me? Maybe she was in 2 different areas when her symptoms were too much and she went to the nearest hospital.

And yes, we see your comment about "proabortion" and we know the main reason she is being prosecuted is because some anti-abortion men decided to make an example out of her to make the point that abortion should be outlawed. Also because she is not a wealthy white woman with connections.