Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

What do hospitals and medical centers do with dead fetuses, that aren’t turned over to the family for burial or cremation?

Depends on the state law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

All the articles that I have read said the pregnancy was non viable. Where are you getting that there was no heartbeat?

Posters are making all kinds of details about this story that just don't exist. Nowhere does it say that doctors didn't provide care. It only says she went to two hospitals. Why would she go to two different hospitals anyway. There's usually just one reason for that. Nowhere did it say that those visits actually even had anything to do with labor, D&C, any of it. Just so much conjecture in order to fit this story into proabortion agenda. Such idealogues, with no ability for reasoning or thinking for themselves. It's sad, really.

ok, I'll ask. What is they 'only one' reason for going to two different hospitals?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is a fetus that died in utero and was never born alive or breathed air considered a corpse? Is there a legal obligation to dispose of it in any particular way?

The baby died. There was no heartbeat. Doctors told her twice to just go home.

So why is she being penalized and criminalized for following the medical instructions given to her?

These states that are outlawing abortions and D&Cs need to require doctors to provide clear instructions and treatment options to women who present with dead or unviable fetuses still in their body. Provide a Best Practice set of Guideline for exactly what a woman should do when that dead fetus passes, and where the fetus needs to go.

I can’ believe this is not in place already. I’m disappointed in the medical community for not providing this critical information to the women in this country.

All the articles that I have read said the pregnancy was non viable. Where are you getting that there was no heartbeat?

Posters are making all kinds of details about this story that just don't exist. Nowhere does it say that doctors didn't provide care. It only says she went to two hospitals. Why would she go to two different hospitals anyway. There's usually just one reason for that. Nowhere did it say that those visits actually even had anything to do with labor, D&C, any of it. Just so much conjecture in order to fit this story into proabortion agenda. Such idealogues, with no ability for reasoning or thinking for themselves. It's sad, really.

ok, I'll ask. What is they 'only one' reason for going to two different hospitals?

+1 And where does it say she went to two different hospitals?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

If this woman’s 20-22 week unviable fetus body was so important, then why didn’t the doctors at the hospital keep her there until this fetus passed, and give the mother and the fetus the dignity you feel they deserved?

Your blame on this mother is misplaced. You should blame the medical team and Ohio lawmakers that created this no-win situation for this mother and the fetus.

How do you know they didn’t offer to keep her, and she refused?

I’m sure if she had left the hospital against medical advice, that would have been part of the prosecutor’s case.

How do you know it's not? If she had sought care for delivering a baby and been turned away, told to deliver a baby at home, then flush it down the toilet, then the police would not have been called and she would not be being prosecuted.

Clearly you are white and not poor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

What do hospitals and medical centers do with dead fetuses, that aren’t turned over to the family for burial or cremation?

Depends on the state law.

If they below a certain age cops are called and tissues are taken in for DNA testing.

In Ohio they burn them. Lol! 😂

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

It was a non-viable fetus.

A non viable fetus doesn’t show signs of injury.

of course it can. do you know what happens to a dead fetus in utero? it disintegrates.

Of course it does. And that is called fetal disintegration. A medical examiner will know what that is, and state that on the report. They will not call it injury. So you are 100% incorrect.

They found no injuries upon examination. Read the article again.

https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2023/10/elm-road-home-burglarized-video-shows-dog-beating/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

Really the only thing that matters is the age of the clump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

Where are you getting this information from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

Really the only thing that matters is the age of the clump.

Which every article I have read says 22 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the baby was 20 weeks old and she delivered at 22 weeks. At 20 weeks it’s considered a miscarriage at 22 weeks. It’s considered stillborn.

What she flushed was only 20 weeks old.

And had 2 weeks of decomposition.

Please show me proof of this assertion.

The facts of this woman having an already-dead fetus (as testified to in a court of law by the forensic doctor who did the autopsy) falling out of her uterus is not enough proof to prove whatever weirdo point you’re trying to make?

Okay.

Why does it matter to you how much decomposition the dead fetus had when it was expelled from this mother’s body? It was dead already regardless.

It’s 100% relevant if someone is claiming that it had 2 weeks worth of decomposition. If it died right before delivery it would have looked like an actual fetus, not a partially decomposed mess as some are claiming. That matters.

Nope it doesn’t matter at all to this case. Nor does it matter for whatever point you’re trying to make.

Dead fetus and placenta and uterine tissue and blood in the toilet, is what it is. It is horrifying. It is not cute and clean and bundled up and dressed up with pictures taken by nurses.

Maybe the mom was traumatized and just wanted this out of her sight. Most peoples first impulse when seeing something horrifying in the toilet is to flush and get rid of it.

I don’t have the statistics but I can’t imagine that many women who have just had a miscarriage/stillbirth over a toilet (and a problematic pregnancy) and are bleeding out (in a group home for poor mothers and children no less!) would be thinking coherently about the situation and what to do immediately. Especially if no previous guidance or direction had ever been given.

She probably shared this toilet and bathroom with other people and all her brain could think of in the moment was to not leave a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the hospital didn’t care about the fetus, refused help, it was already dead, could have killed her if not finally expelled, and she’s supposed to essentially do the healthcare workers jobs? Because no one else would or showed any care or concern? If they wanted a dignified end of pregnancy- for the fetus of course, not the mother- perhaps they shouldn’t have passed laws that made this outcome inevitable.

We said this would happen. No way you all said. Yet here we are. Didn’t take long.

Where are you getting this from? A non viable fetus does not equal a dead fetus. At this point we have no idea when it died. And we have no idea what the hospital did or didn’t do.
But don’t let that stop you.

We know she had a ruptured membrane and went to the hospital and they sent her home saying that she would deliver in 24 hours.

If they think she’s gonna deliver a baby, they should’ve kept her. If they think it’s a miscarriage they send you home.

Where did you get this info from? I haven’t read anything like that yet.

The ME testified that she had ruptured membranes and that she had medical records from two hospital visits. It’s in the link in the OP.

No I saw that. What I didn’t see was the part where they sent her home.

Because it didn't happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

You received medical care. The Catholic hospital this woman sought care at sent her home. Her baby died inside her body. From the report it was two weeks before her body ejected it. It was not the sane experience though you both suffers great losses, it’s not comparable.

You made up that it was a Catholic hospital and you made up she was sent home. So I will say she was offered a d&c twice and refused because she didn't want to pay.

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It is amazing the facts that have been literally fabricated out of thin air on this thread. The fetus was 20 weeks but was delivered at 22! The hospital refused her care! The hospital sent her home! The fetus was partially disintegrated! It was a Catholic hospital! The mother needed to be at work and couldn’t miss her shift!

You people are UNREAL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

Were you left to fend for yourself and bleed out in a bathroom over a bloody toilet at any time during this process?

Did you have significant blood loss afterwards with no one to help you?

Did you have all the answers for what you needed to do when this started happening to you?