New VA trans policies for schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

NP. I disagree. Learning is impacted by environment and the emotional state of the student and the rapport with the teacher. If the student doesn't respect the teacher, their learning will not be optimized. And if a teacher refuses to afford the student the simple respect of calling them by their preferred name, that erodes the student's respect for the teacher and the rapport between the two. If a student feels more comfortable in the class, they will have a better learning experience. And respectfully honoring their preferred name facilitates a more comfortable classroom - for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

NP. I disagree. Learning is impacted by environment and the emotional state of the student and the rapport with the teacher. If the student doesn't respect the teacher, their learning will not be optimized. And if a teacher refuses to afford the student the simple respect of calling them by their preferred name, that erodes the student's respect for the teacher and the rapport between the two. If a student feels more comfortable in the class, they will have a better learning experience. And respectfully honoring their preferred name facilitates a more comfortable classroom - for everyone.

I’m not sure the trade off is worth it. Affirming delusions is harmful, a teacher that affirms that humans can change sex is indoctrinating students with dangerous falsehoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

NP. I disagree. Learning is impacted by environment and the emotional state of the student and the rapport with the teacher. If the student doesn't respect the teacher, their learning will not be optimized. And if a teacher refuses to afford the student the simple respect of calling them by their preferred name, that erodes the student's respect for the teacher and the rapport between the two. If a student feels more comfortable in the class, they will have a better learning experience. And respectfully honoring their preferred name facilitates a more comfortable classroom - for everyone.

I’m not sure the trade off is worth it. Affirming delusions is harmful, a teacher that affirms that humans can change sex is indoctrinating students with dangerous falsehoods.

^^^ Opinion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

NP. I disagree. Learning is impacted by environment and the emotional state of the student and the rapport with the teacher. If the student doesn't respect the teacher, their learning will not be optimized. And if a teacher refuses to afford the student the simple respect of calling them by their preferred name, that erodes the student's respect for the teacher and the rapport between the two. If a student feels more comfortable in the class, they will have a better learning experience. And respectfully honoring their preferred name facilitates a more comfortable classroom - for everyone.

I’m not sure the trade off is worth it. Affirming delusions is harmful, a teacher that affirms that humans can change sex is indoctrinating students with dangerous falsehoods.

^^^ Opinion

You may disagree that affirming falsehoods is not harmful. But humans cannot change sex. This is a fact, not an opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens. Back when Northan's VDOE passed their transgender guidelines, the LCPS school board members claimed that they were "required" to update their policies in accoardance with the guidelines. So given the new policies, will they similarly state they are "required" to update their policies?

Either they are required to follow them or they aren't - and if they aren't required now, then they weren't required then and they lied.

Depends which requirement you choose to follow. If school divisions pick federal law, they won't change their policies. If they pick state law/VDOE guidance, they will. The correct answer is to go with federal law as it trumps state. So there may be a legal challenge.

Clearly you are not a lawyer. Federal law doesn’t Trump state law when it comes to education, police etc. These are services that are traditionally under the purview of the state. The way the federal government usually gets around it is through the Commerce Clause or by attaching compliance to some grant money or something like that. But no, federal law doesn’t trump state law. It depends on what the law is and how it is drafted.

If the state law violates the federal Constitution, then the federal Constitution would trump the unconstitutional state law.

Yes of course. If Youngkin’s policy violates the constitution then of course you are correct. What APS would then have to do is bring a case in federal court arguing that this law violates the equal protection clause or something like that. I doubt it will get far. Of course if it does and makes it all the way to the Supreme Court, then i think we can all guess how the Supreme Court will rule. Probably not the best idea to take this to federal court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

NP. I disagree. Learning is impacted by environment and the emotional state of the student and the rapport with the teacher. If the student doesn't respect the teacher, their learning will not be optimized. And if a teacher refuses to afford the student the simple respect of calling them by their preferred name, that erodes the student's respect for the teacher and the rapport between the two. If a student feels more comfortable in the class, they will have a better learning experience. And respectfully honoring their preferred name facilitates a more comfortable classroom - for everyone.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

NP. I disagree. Learning is impacted by environment and the emotional state of the student and the rapport with the teacher. If the student doesn't respect the teacher, their learning will not be optimized. And if a teacher refuses to afford the student the simple respect of calling them by their preferred name, that erodes the student's respect for the teacher and the rapport between the two. If a student feels more comfortable in the class, they will have a better learning experience. And respectfully honoring their preferred name facilitates a more comfortable classroom - for everyone.

I’m not sure the trade off is worth it. Affirming delusions is harmful, a teacher that affirms that humans can change sex is indoctrinating students with dangerous falsehoods.

^^^ Opinion

You may disagree that affirming falsehoods is not harmful. But humans cannot change sex. This is a fact, not an opinion.

This all doesn’t matter. We can agree to disagree. The question is - does calling a child by their pronoun have a profound effect on their mental well being? If it does then the parent should know. We are not discussing nicknames here.

[Anonymous]

I do think that if it is indeed true that not calling a child by their preferred name will lead to the child’s suicide, that is a grave medical risk that properly needs to be immediately disclosed to parents.

My kid had a warning sent home when her teacher thought she wasn’t seeing the board properly. Teachers regularly flag potential injuries with far less impact. The idea of a teacher believing that not using a name will lead to a child’s suicide but then not disclosing that to the parents is actually horrifying.

[Anonymous]

APS doesn't have to sue anyone. They have a policy and they're sticking to it. The question is whether someone will sue APS for not following Youngkin's policy. Who has standing? A parent who doesn't want their child called by their chosen name? You're unlikely to find such a parent in Arlington, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do think that if it is indeed true that not calling a child by their preferred name will lead to the child’s suicide, that is a grave medical risk that properly needs to be immediately disclosed to parents.

My kid had a warning sent home when her teacher thought she wasn’t seeing the board properly. Teachers regularly flag potential injuries with far less impact. The idea of a teacher believing that not using a name will lead to a child’s suicide but then not disclosing that to the parents is actually horrifying.

Yes it’s really strange logic wise. You have teachers here saying that they will call students by their preferred pronouns because not affirming the students’ gender identity increases the risk of suicide. But then also say that they will not tell the parents because it’s just like a nickname and they have no time to talk to the parents about it. What???? How does this make any sense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:APS doesn't have to sue anyone. They have a policy and they're sticking to it. The question is whether someone will sue APS for not following Youngkin's policy. Who has standing? A parent who doesn't want their child called by their chosen name? You're unlikely to find such a parent in Arlington, sorry.

Yes but you have people on this board saying that Youngkin’s policy is unconstitutional and a violation of the equal protection clause. The only way anyone could prove that is bring a case in federal court. That obviously would not be a good idea, because even if the federal court has jurisdiction and the entity/person bringing the case has standing, the last thing any trans rights advocate would want is a decision on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens. Back when Northan's VDOE passed their transgender guidelines, the LCPS school board members claimed that they were "required" to update their policies in accoardance with the guidelines. So given the new policies, will they similarly state they are "required" to update their policies?

Either they are required to follow them or they aren't - and if they aren't required now, then they weren't required then and they lied.

Depends which requirement you choose to follow. If school divisions pick federal law, they won't change their policies. If they pick state law/VDOE guidance, they will. The correct answer is to go with federal law as it trumps state. So there may be a legal challenge.

Clearly you are not a lawyer. Federal law doesn’t Trump state law when it comes to education, police etc. These are services that are traditionally under the purview of the state. The way the federal government usually gets around it is through the Commerce Clause or by attaching compliance to some grant money or something like that. But no, federal law doesn’t trump state law. It depends on what the law is and how it is drafted.

Federal law trumps state law whenever they are in conflict

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:APS doesn't have to sue anyone. They have a policy and they're sticking to it. The question is whether someone will sue APS for not following Youngkin's policy. Who has standing? A parent who doesn't want their child called by their chosen name? You're unlikely to find such a parent in Arlington, sorry.

The circles you interact with in Arlington are probably very limited. There are many immigrants here - Hispanics, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Moroccans etc. While they are not a monolith, I would wager to guess that the majority would want to know if their child is using a different pronoun in school. Though most of them would probably not share their opinion with a person such as yourself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens. Back when Northan's VDOE passed their transgender guidelines, the LCPS school board members claimed that they were "required" to update their policies in accoardance with the guidelines. So given the new policies, will they similarly state they are "required" to update their policies?

Either they are required to follow them or they aren't - and if they aren't required now, then they weren't required then and they lied.

Depends which requirement you choose to follow. If school divisions pick federal law, they won't change their policies. If they pick state law/VDOE guidance, they will. The correct answer is to go with federal law as it trumps state. So there may be a legal challenge.

Clearly you are not a lawyer. Federal law doesn’t Trump state law when it comes to education, police etc. These are services that are traditionally under the purview of the state. The way the federal government usually gets around it is through the Commerce Clause or by attaching compliance to some grant money or something like that. But no, federal law doesn’t trump state law. It depends on what the law is and how it is drafted.

Federal law trumps state law whenever they are in conflict

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

Oh nice. Congratulations you looked up the constitution. Now let me ask you this - what constitutional provision or amendment is the policy in question in conflict with? Once you determine that how would you argue that they are in conflict? I am taking a wild guess here but I’m guessing you believe that the policy violates the equal protection clause. Why don’t you test out your theory in federal court (assuming they have jurisdiction and you have standing)?

[Anonymous]

So thankful that my BIL & SIL who moved my niece to VA from TX in late 2022 kept the fact that she's trans on the down-low. She's very 'passing' as she's been on hormones for years. FERPA prevents the admins, who do know, from disclosing.

My niece is a cheerleader in the fall & winter and plays girl's soccer in the spring. She uses the girl's locker room and girl's bathrooms. She's a lifeguard this summer. She has friends and dates and currently has a boyfriend. She's living her best teen life and loves that she "occupies so much time & space in the hater's heads" by simply existing.