New VA trans policies for schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

They are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to kill themselves if people use their preferred name/pronouns. As a nurse I can assure you with 100% certainty that living students learn at a 100% greater rate than dead students.

Ok nurse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad a PP brought up anorexia! How many of you pro-trans folks would let a girl with anorexia continue under the delusion thaf she is fat? How many of you would affirm her feelings and let her starve to death?

Suffering from an eating disorder and being trans really are not the same. At all. So tired of the "right" (who are so often wrong) trotting out false equivalencies.

They are really, really bad at coming up with analogies.

Anorexia will kill you
Using a pronoun different than your sex will not

They aren’t the same

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad a PP brought up anorexia! How many of you pro-trans folks would let a girl with anorexia continue under the delusion thaf she is fat? How many of you would affirm her feelings and let her starve to death?

Suffering from an eating disorder and being trans really are not the same. At all. So tired of the "right" (who are so often wrong) trotting out false equivalencies.

They are really, really bad at coming up with analogies.

Anorexia will kill you
Using a pronoun different than your sex will not

They aren’t the same

Not to mention, gender dysphoria just isn't like anorexia. When someone has gender dysphoria, they are uncomfortable with their primary and/or secondary sex characteristics. This isn't a situation where someone might be skinny already but can pinch what they assume is fat and think they're super big. With primary and secondary sex characteristics, it's a fact. The vast majority of people transition to the gender they identify as through hormones and possibly surgery and they are more comfortable living as that gender. They get jobs, work, date, marry, and live a normal life. Some may even have kids, either biological if they saved sperm or eggs or through adoption. Most trans people are literally living a normal life. I know, it's shocking to hear this but you pass them in the isles of Giant or Whole Foods and you don't even realize it. Especially if you're in the DC area, the trans population here is very high. The highest in the country. One in 33 people in DC is trans.

[Anonymous]

Either way, there’s a delusion there. We should not be turning society on its head for an extremely small segment of society, a segment that is not well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Either way, there’s a delusion there. We should not be turning society on its head for an extremely small segment of society, a segment that is not well.

Society is fine. It’s not “turning on its head” to be supportive and inclusive of others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad a PP brought up anorexia! How many of you pro-trans folks would let a girl with anorexia continue under the delusion thaf she is fat? How many of you would affirm her feelings and let her starve to death?

Suffering from an eating disorder and being trans really are not the same. At all. So tired of the "right" (who are so often wrong) trotting out false equivalencies.

They are really, really bad at coming up with analogies.

Anorexia will kill you
Using a pronoun different than your sex will not

They aren’t the same

There is at least one individual who died as a direct result of receiving gender surgery.

Using a different pronoun from your sex may not kill you, but like body dysmorphic disorders it is an individual who does not view their body as it is in reality. The medical establishment has decided to affirm some but not others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Either way, there’s a delusion there. We should not be turning society on its head for an extremely small segment of society, a segment that is not well.

Society is fine. It’s not “turning on its head” to be supportive and inclusive of others.

Actually it is. Never before has society accepted that some “women” have penises or that some “men” can bear children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad a PP brought up anorexia! How many of you pro-trans folks would let a girl with anorexia continue under the delusion thaf she is fat? How many of you would affirm her feelings and let her starve to death?

Suffering from an eating disorder and being trans really are not the same. At all. So tired of the "right" (who are so often wrong) trotting out false equivalencies.

They are really, really bad at coming up with analogies.

Anorexia will kill you
Using a pronoun different than your sex will not

They aren’t the same

Not to mention, gender dysphoria just isn't like anorexia. When someone has gender dysphoria, they are uncomfortable with their primary and/or secondary sex characteristics. This isn't a situation where someone might be skinny already but can pinch what they assume is fat and think they're super big. With primary and secondary sex characteristics, it's a fact. The vast majority of people transition to the gender they identify as through hormones and possibly surgery and they are more comfortable living as that gender. They get jobs, work, date, marry, and live a normal life. Some may even have kids, either biological if they saved sperm or eggs or through adoption. Most trans people are literally living a normal life. I know, it's shocking to hear this but you pass them in the isles of Giant or Whole Foods and you don't even realize it. Especially if you're in the DC area, the trans population here is very high. The highest in the country. One in 33 people in DC is trans.

Source on that last stat? Not combative; just very curious and surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

They are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to kill themselves if people use their preferred name/pronouns. As a nurse I can assure you with 100% certainty that living students learn at a 100% greater rate than dead students.

Ok nurse

So therefore changing the pronouns they use in school is a consequential decision correct? One that has actual meaning right because it would significantly reduce the chance that they would commit suicide correct? If that is the case then it is not comparable to a simple nickname change where William wants to go by his middle name right? It actually a change that will have a profound effect on the mental well being of that student. Now if that’s the case, then or course the parents should know. Like I said, people arguing against Youngkin’s policy can’t have it both ways. Either it’s just a simple nickname preference - doesn’t really matter. Or it really matters (has a profound effect on the metal well being of the child). If it’s the latter - then the parents should know. If it’s the former, they shouldn’t. Simple.

[Anonymous]

It will be interesting to see what happens. Back when Northan's VDOE passed their transgender guidelines, the LCPS school board members claimed that they were "required" to update their policies in accoardance with the guidelines. So given the new policies, will they similarly state they are "required" to update their policies?

Either they are required to follow them or they aren't - and if they aren't required now, then they weren't required then and they lied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Either way, there’s a delusion there. We should not be turning society on its head for an extremely small segment of society, a segment that is not well.

Yup let's stop with the wheelchair ramps and handicapped parking spaces too. Coverage for mental health care.

Stop inconveniencing the normals for the needs of a very few that have something wrong with them. Not my problem!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will keep calling my kids by what they want to be called
You can fire me Youngkin

Why? What academic value does it provide to students for you to do so vs just calling them their name.

I will answer for you - None.

They are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to kill themselves if people use their preferred name/pronouns. As a nurse I can assure you with 100% certainty that living students learn at a 100% greater rate than dead students.

Ok nurse

So therefore changing the pronouns they use in school is a consequential decision correct? One that has actual meaning right because it would significantly reduce the chance that they would commit suicide correct? If that is the case then it is not comparable to a simple nickname change where William wants to go by his middle name right? It actually a change that will have a profound effect on the mental well being of that student. Now if that’s the case, then or course the parents should know. Like I said, people arguing against Youngkin’s policy can’t have it both ways. Either it’s just a simple nickname preference - doesn’t really matter. Or it really matters (has a profound effect on the metal well being of the child). If it’s the latter - then the parents should know. If it’s the former, they shouldn’t. Simple.

Exactly this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens. Back when Northan's VDOE passed their transgender guidelines, the LCPS school board members claimed that they were "required" to update their policies in accoardance with the guidelines. So given the new policies, will they similarly state they are "required" to update their policies?

Either they are required to follow them or they aren't - and if they aren't required now, then they weren't required then and they lied.

Depends which requirement you choose to follow. If school divisions pick federal law, they won't change their policies. If they pick state law/VDOE guidance, they will. The correct answer is to go with federal law as it trumps state. So there may be a legal challenge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens. Back when Northan's VDOE passed their transgender guidelines, the LCPS school board members claimed that they were "required" to update their policies in accoardance with the guidelines. So given the new policies, will they similarly state they are "required" to update their policies?

Either they are required to follow them or they aren't - and if they aren't required now, then they weren't required then and they lied.

Depends which requirement you choose to follow. If school divisions pick federal law, they won't change their policies. If they pick state law/VDOE guidance, they will. The correct answer is to go with federal law as it trumps state. So there may be a legal challenge.

Clearly you are not a lawyer. Federal law doesn’t Trump state law when it comes to education, police etc. These are services that are traditionally under the purview of the state. The way the federal government usually gets around it is through the Commerce Clause or by attaching compliance to some grant money or something like that. But no, federal law doesn’t trump state law. It depends on what the law is and how it is drafted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens. Back when Northan's VDOE passed their transgender guidelines, the LCPS school board members claimed that they were "required" to update their policies in accoardance with the guidelines. So given the new policies, will they similarly state they are "required" to update their policies?

Either they are required to follow them or they aren't - and if they aren't required now, then they weren't required then and they lied.

Depends which requirement you choose to follow. If school divisions pick federal law, they won't change their policies. If they pick state law/VDOE guidance, they will. The correct answer is to go with federal law as it trumps state. So there may be a legal challenge.

Clearly you are not a lawyer. Federal law doesn’t Trump state law when it comes to education, police etc. These are services that are traditionally under the purview of the state. The way the federal government usually gets around it is through the Commerce Clause or by attaching compliance to some grant money or something like that. But no, federal law doesn’t trump state law. It depends on what the law is and how it is drafted.

If the state law violates the federal Constitution, then the federal Constitution would trump the unconstitutional state law.