Restorative Justice is struggling to show success in MCPS according to students, parents

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Anonymous wrote:RJ and removing SROs seem like a step in the right direction for MCPS. THe real problem appears to be that MCPD isn't doing its job.

This shows complete unawareness of what's happening. With now SROs, MCPS is 100% responsible for student safety. And they are failing. There is no job for MCPD to do if they can't be in the schools engaging in prevention.

On the contrary, MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in the county. That never changed. MCPS is responsible for educating students.

You can't have education in an unsafe situation. MCPS is 100% responsible for safety on its grounds. They have made police reactive rather than preventive. It's all on them.

I agree as long as “them” is the council council and Elrich. MCPD can’t do anything to help the schools when the politicians decided to keep MCPD out. To the posters blaming school violence on MCPD: you’re just being silly.

No, they are being purposefully dumb, or maybe they are really this dumb, and want to blame MCPD for everything, when it was Elrich and his progressive minions who took that power away from MCPD.

So you think King Elrich can forbid the police from doing their jobs? He simply removed SROs from the schools. MCPD are still responsible for enforcing laws in Montgomery county just like its MCPS job to educate children.

Can you explain how you think this worked? So SROs were removed, so they weren’t IN the schools to see the problems. Police, therefore, could only show up if MCPS called them. It’s hard to enforce rules and laws when you aren’t allowed to be in the halls.

CEO 2.0 should correct this. Let’s not pretend for a short second that this is MCPD’s fault, no matter how it might be spinned. Yes, this falls on Elrich and the council. Period.

All I know is that people here claim there's all this crime at Montgomery county schools. So I can't help but wonder why the people responsible for policing crime in our county , MCPD, aren't doing anything about it?

This isn’t hard. I just explained it to you. The county Exec, against the wishes of 100% of school principals, removed SROs. That meant the police did not have a proactive presence on the schools. Because he did that, the police would only be involved in school crimes if the school actually called… and it would be 100% reactive. This is on the politicians, not on the police. The politicians removed the police. It’s that simple.

So you believe there's only one phone in the entire school? There are tons of cell phones. Honestly, if people on DCUM seem to know about these crimes, I'm sure MCPD does too unless they're being willfully ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

We are saying it's on the politicians for reducing to allow laws to be enforced.
Not school specific, but our politicians are rallying to remove laws now. Jawando has called for an end to minor traffic stops.

We just had a massive fentanyl bust thanks to a minor traffic stop and this fool wants to remove laws. Wake up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RJ and removing SROs seem like a step in the right direction for MCPS. THe real problem appears to be that MCPD isn't doing its job.

This shows complete unawareness of what's happening. With now SROs, MCPS is 100% responsible for student safety. And they are failing. There is no job for MCPD to do if they can't be in the schools engaging in prevention.

On the contrary, MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in the county. That never changed. MCPS is responsible for educating students.

You can't have education in an unsafe situation. MCPS is 100% responsible for safety on its grounds. They have made police reactive rather than preventive. It's all on them.

I agree as long as “them” is the council council and Elrich. MCPD can’t do anything to help the schools when the politicians decided to keep MCPD out. To the posters blaming school violence on MCPD: you’re just being silly.

No, they are being purposefully dumb, or maybe they are really this dumb, and want to blame MCPD for everything, when it was Elrich and his progressive minions who took that power away from MCPD.

So you think King Elrich can forbid the police from doing their jobs? He simply removed SROs from the schools. MCPD are still responsible for enforcing laws in Montgomery county just like its MCPS job to educate children.

Can you explain how you think this worked? So SROs were removed, so they weren’t IN the schools to see the problems. Police, therefore, could only show up if MCPS called them. It’s hard to enforce rules and laws when you aren’t allowed to be in the halls.

CEO 2.0 should correct this. Let’s not pretend for a short second that this is MCPD’s fault, no matter how it might be spinned. Yes, this falls on Elrich and the council. Period.

All I know is that people here claim there's all this crime at Montgomery county schools. So I can't help but wonder why the people responsible for policing crime in our county , MCPD, aren't doing anything about it?

This isn’t hard. I just explained it to you. The county Exec, against the wishes of 100% of school principals, removed SROs. That meant the police did not have a proactive presence on the schools. Because he did that, the police would only be involved in school crimes if the school actually called… and it would be 100% reactive. This is on the politicians, not on the police. The politicians removed the police. It’s that simple.

So you believe there's only one phone in the entire school? There are tons of cell phones. Honestly, if people on DCUM seem to know about these crimes, I'm sure MCPD does too unless they're being willfully ignorant.

I don't feel your ignorance is willful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

We are saying it's on the politicians for reducing to allow laws to be enforced.
Not school specific, but our politicians are rallying to remove laws now. Jawando has called for an end to minor traffic stops.

We just had a massive fentanyl bust thanks to a minor traffic stop and this fool wants to remove laws. Wake up.

So you're now claiming that fewer traffic stops is the reason for increased school crime?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

So you agree that SROs should be brought back to enforce those laws?

Whether there are SROs or not, MCPD has an obligation to enforce the law in Montgomery County, but according to many posts here they aren't.

Yep!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

We are saying it's on the politicians for reducing to allow laws to be enforced.
Not school specific, but our politicians are rallying to remove laws now. Jawando has called for an end to minor traffic stops.

We just had a massive fentanyl bust thanks to a minor traffic stop and this fool wants to remove laws. Wake up.

So you're now claiming that fewer traffic stops is the reason for increased school crime?

Their reasoning, or lack thereof, is hard to follow. I don't see the connection here either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

So you agree that SROs should be brought back to enforce those laws?

Whether there are SROs or not, MCPD has an obligation to enforce the law in Montgomery County, but according to many posts here they aren't.

Yep!

Yes, so let's bring back actual SROs so they can do their jobs. Agree?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

We are saying it's on the politicians for reducing to allow laws to be enforced.
Not school specific, but our politicians are rallying to remove laws now. Jawando has called for an end to minor traffic stops.

We just had a massive fentanyl bust thanks to a minor traffic stop and this fool wants to remove laws. Wake up.

So you're now claiming that fewer traffic stops is the reason for increased school crime?

Their reasoning, or lack thereof, is hard to follow. I don't see the connection here either.

That's because you lack critical thinking skills.

-dp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

So we should bring back actual SROs so they can their jobs, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

This is such a warped view. If the police are told NOT to be in schools, and the schools don’t call for help… do you expect police to just KNOW when things are occurring? They aren’t mind readers.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t take away their ability to do their job and then get mad when crimes occur.

What seems warped to me is that you don't expect MCPD to do its job.

Look, you’re welcome to go on hating police. Those of us who live in reality see the situation as it really is. Your mind and heart are closed, so this DCUM debate won’t make a difference to you.

[Anonymous]

https://moco360.media/2023/03/20/county-officials-turn-up-the-heat-on-mcps-restorative-justice-model-question-ceo-data/

County leaders who were trying to measure the effectiveness of two controversial approaches to youth misbehavior—restorative justice and the stationing of police officers away from schools—appeared stymied Monday by a lack of data from Montgomery County Public Schools and the Montgomery County Police Department.

There have been around 2,500 “serious incidents” reported within MCPS for the 2022-23 school year through March 9, according to data shared at a County Council meeting—but so far there’s no breakdown on recidivism rates, the nature of medical calls or student satisfaction with restorative justice exercises, MCPS officials said. County leaders are questioning how well the school district is measuring the success of its response.

The findings were published during a meeting of the County Council’s Public Safety and Education & Culture committees held to discuss community engagement officers (CEOs) and the district’s approach to restorative justice. During the meeting, council members raised concerns about several gaps in information that, if bridged, would help measure the effectiveness of the school district’s restorative justice approach to incident prevention and conflict resolution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://moco360.media/2023/03/20/county-officials-turn-up-the-heat-on-mcps-restorative-justice-model-question-ceo-data/

County leaders who were trying to measure the effectiveness of two controversial approaches to youth misbehavior—restorative justice and the stationing of police officers away from schools—appeared stymied Monday by a lack of data from Montgomery County Public Schools and the Montgomery County Police Department.

There have been around 2,500 “serious incidents” reported within MCPS for the 2022-23 school year through March 9, according to data shared at a County Council meeting—but so far there’s no breakdown on recidivism rates, the nature of medical calls or student satisfaction with restorative justice exercises, MCPS officials said. County leaders are questioning how well the school district is measuring the success of its response.

The findings were published during a meeting of the County Council’s Public Safety and Education & Culture committees held to discuss community engagement officers (CEOs) and the district’s approach to restorative justice. During the meeting, council members raised concerns about several gaps in information that, if bridged, would help measure the effectiveness of the school district’s restorative justice approach to incident prevention and conflict resolution.

Jawando and other politicos only care about the school to prison pipeline. Not education. They have their kids in private schools. They want to see fewer arrests and incarcerations no matter how bad it gets for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying it's on the politicians because MCPD is refusing to enforce our laws?

So you agree that SROs should be brought back to enforce those laws?

Whether there are SROs or not, MCPD has an obligation to enforce the law in Montgomery County, but according to many posts here they aren't.

Yep!

Yes, so let's bring back actual SROs so they can do their jobs. Agree?

MCPD is already responsible for this whether there are SROs or not, and SROs don't work that well. Just look at their failures at both Parkland and Uvalde.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://moco360.media/2023/03/20/county-officials-turn-up-the-heat-on-mcps-restorative-justice-model-question-ceo-data/

County leaders who were trying to measure the effectiveness of two controversial approaches to youth misbehavior—restorative justice and the stationing of police officers away from schools—appeared stymied Monday by a lack of data from Montgomery County Public Schools and the Montgomery County Police Department.

There have been around 2,500 “serious incidents” reported within MCPS for the 2022-23 school year through March 9, according to data shared at a County Council meeting—but so far there’s no breakdown on recidivism rates, the nature of medical calls or student satisfaction with restorative justice exercises, MCPS officials said. County leaders are questioning how well the school district is measuring the success of its response.

The findings were published during a meeting of the County Council’s Public Safety and Education & Culture committees held to discuss community engagement officers (CEOs) and the district’s approach to restorative justice. During the meeting, council members raised concerns about several gaps in information that, if bridged, would help measure the effectiveness of the school district’s restorative justice approach to incident prevention and conflict resolution.

Jawando and other politicos only care about the school to prison pipeline. Not education. They have their kids in private schools. They want to see fewer arrests and incarcerations no matter how bad it gets for everyone else.

So you're saying traffic stops are why MCPD is failing to enforce the law at our schools?