What would it ACTUALLY take for you to consider biking or taking the bus, in lieu of motoring?

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be able to perform my job without a car (or truck or van). i am a mom, a dad, a person confined to a wheel chair that is blessed enough to have an outfitted vehicle, a delivery driver, an EMT, an InstaCart Shopper trying to earn extra money. I am your plumber, your contractor, your landscaper, your childcare provider, your cleaning crew, your Uber (can you imagine telling someone you are picking them up to go to dinner by bike?) and lastly, I am the person who has to take their elderly mother to their doctor's appointments. I cannot do grocery shopping for six on a bicycle FWIW I'm not the one complaining about it.

You’re none of those.

)Then tell me. What am I? (Give me three minutes to get popcorn)

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I have had 2 bikes and an e-scooter stolen, all with proper NY-style u-locks on them, i give up paying $500+ each for fun while riding it but terrified while I am in a building if it will be there when i get back outside.....i have never had a car stolen though and i have owned 5+ of those....

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not in your area, but for me to use bikes as a mode of transport I’d need dedicated bike lanes that are raised and fenced off from the road (ie much safer) ALL THE WAY. I’m not going to be safe for some of the way then play Russian roulette for the rest.

To use buses, I’d need to know they were safe and clean (no gangs, homeless or other crazies) and there would need to be “green roads and bridges” that only buses and bikes can use that significantly reduce travel time especially during rush hour.

I’ve lived in other places in the world that have these things and they really do work.

Homeless people also have places to go. They might be traveling from a shelter to a social services office to a medical clinic to the library to apply for a job. And many more people are experiencing homelessness than the folks sitting outside the Starbucks. It includes mothers transporting their young children to school and even people with jobs. If you are worried about people who smell or have paranoid schizophrenia state that specifically, though that isn’t limited to homeless people.

So you believe that transit should prioritize the needs of homeless riders over all others? Interesting perspective.

A homeless person sitting next to you on public transportation doesn’t prohibit you from using public transportation. That is your choice based on your prejudice.

Um, said like that you sound like you're trying to get a rise out of everyone. But yes, if I had to choose between my kid taking a bus that shows up every 16 minutes at rush hour, or a bus that shows up every 5 minutes and is also being used a homeless person or two, kid'll share the bus with the homeless persons. Maybe not a seat though, come on.

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Anonymous wrote:It would take a proper government and no crime. I don’t want my head bashed in on a bike or to be shot or knifed on a bus. Of all the options, being carjacked seems safer. Two drive by gunspray shootings in the last few weeks, 1 metro bus shooting yesterday, 1 knifing today.

There is a reason the sane among us don’t visit that neighborhood or similar ones. It has nothing to do with cycling or public transit BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

I mean, what's so dumb is to posture as the grown up talking about taxes and multinational corporations, but finding it unimaginable to bike in 40 or 80 degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

Unless you work for the government, retail/hospitality or Marriott, or real estate, you probably are not working in Montgomery County and that is a huge problem that none of these things are going to fix.

Because land use, housing, and transportation policies have nothing to do with jobs? Huh.

They have everything to do with jobs. The primary output of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be job growth.

Montgomery County’s job growth record is terrible and yet we based our master plan on the same things we’ve been doing while the rest of the area got job growth and we didn’t. If you’re part of the MoCo YIMBY echo chamber, now would be a good time to step back, figure out what went wrong, and fix it.

Nice self own though.

Really? I think the primary goals of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be an increase in societal well-being.

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Anonymous wrote:Corporations move to areas where 1) their employee's children can attend excellent public schools and 2) where their employees can afford to live and 3) can get to work quickly and easily.

That is strike 1, 2 and 3 AGAINST Montgomery County. We are not going to get the jobs.

And oh, I will NEVER bike to work, or bike to take the kids to school or other activities, or to go to the doctor or shopping or any other errand

OK, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to bike anywhere. You can drive to visit your next door neighbor, if you want.

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Well, my office is in “that neighborhood.” And yes, there have been recent stabbings and armed robberies.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

Unless you work for the government, retail/hospitality or Marriott, or real estate, you probably are not working in Montgomery County and that is a huge problem that none of these things are going to fix.

Because land use, housing, and transportation policies have nothing to do with jobs? Huh.

They have everything to do with jobs. The primary output of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be job growth.

Montgomery County’s job growth record is terrible and yet we based our master plan on the same things we’ve been doing while the rest of the area got job growth and we didn’t. If you’re part of the MoCo YIMBY echo chamber, now would be a good time to step back, figure out what went wrong, and fix it.

Nice self own though.

Really? I think the primary goals of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be an increase in societal well-being.

Yes, really. People need gainful employment. Stable employment is the gateway to stable housing and social mobility. How are you going to increase societal well being without employment? The housing developers say the employment outlook in MoCo is too weak to support much more housing. Where’s your tax base going to come from without jobs?

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Conservatives hate public transit for the same reasons they tend to hate bikes, bike lanes, reusable bags, thrifted clothing, electric stoves and electric cars.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

Unless you work for the government, retail/hospitality or Marriott, or real estate, you probably are not working in Montgomery County and that is a huge problem that none of these things are going to fix.

Because land use, housing, and transportation policies have nothing to do with jobs? Huh.

They have everything to do with jobs. The primary output of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be job growth.

Montgomery County’s job growth record is terrible and yet we based our master plan on the same things we’ve been doing while the rest of the area got job growth and we didn’t. If you’re part of the MoCo YIMBY echo chamber, now would be a good time to step back, figure out what went wrong, and fix it.

Nice self own though.

Really? I think the primary goals of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be an increase in societal well-being.

Yes, really. People need gainful employment. Stable employment is the gateway to stable housing and social mobility. How are you going to increase societal well being without employment? The housing developers say the employment outlook in MoCo is too weak to support much more housing. Where’s your tax base going to come from without jobs?

People do not exist in order to have paid employment. Paid employment is not people's primary purpose for existing.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

Unless you work for the government, retail/hospitality or Marriott, or real estate, you probably are not working in Montgomery County and that is a huge problem that none of these things are going to fix.

Because land use, housing, and transportation policies have nothing to do with jobs? Huh.

They have everything to do with jobs. The primary output of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be job growth.

Montgomery County’s job growth record is terrible and yet we based our master plan on the same things we’ve been doing while the rest of the area got job growth and we didn’t. If you’re part of the MoCo YIMBY echo chamber, now would be a good time to step back, figure out what went wrong, and fix it.

Nice self own though.

Really? I think the primary goals of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be an increase in societal well-being.

Yes, really. People need gainful employment. Stable employment is the gateway to stable housing and social mobility. How are you going to increase societal well being without employment? The housing developers say the employment outlook in MoCo is too weak to support much more housing. Where’s your tax base going to come from without jobs?

Universal basic income, duh!!
Don't waste your time arguing with Marxists. I suspect this person is employed by Streetsblog or similar.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservatives hate public transit for the same reasons they tend to hate bikes, bike lanes, reusable bags, thrifted clothing, electric stoves and electric cars.

Which, you know, is kind of weird, because all of those things are actually conservative.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservatives hate public transit for the same reasons they tend to hate bikes, bike lanes, reusable bags, thrifted clothing, electric stoves and electric cars.

Complete baloney, conservatives tend to be extremely cheap in their personal lives and use all of the above with the exception of electric cars as they are too pricey currently. You don't know any conservatives.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservatives hate public transit for the same reasons they tend to hate bikes, bike lanes, reusable bags, thrifted clothing, electric stoves and electric cars.

Complete baloney, conservatives tend to be extremely cheap in their personal lives and use all of the above with the exception of electric cars as they are too pricey currently. You don't know any conservatives.

Political conservatives or small C conservatives?