What would it ACTUALLY take for you to consider biking or taking the bus, in lieu of motoring?

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Anonymous wrote:It IS unsafe.

Objectively, going by bus is much, much safer than going by car. However, people's perception of risk is subjective, not objective.

I’m afraid you’re wrong. No one has been murdered in my car recently.

Plenty of people have been vehicular homicided in cars recently though and you’re just as dead that way.

(But also: public transit has to be more convenient than driving for most of the places most people go and in the DMV it just isn’t. And I say this as someone who doesn’t own a car.)

Clearly I’m not just as dead. Your hypotheticals are somewhat interesting but it’s still a fact that no one has been murdered in my car recently.

However, other people have been murdered in their cars. In fact, more people have been murdered in their cars than have been murdered on the bus, recently, in Montgomery County. And many, many, many more people have been killed in their cars than have been killed on the bus. Including people who were unimpaired, undistracted, and wearing their seatbelts.

You need to look up the definition of murder and then see how dumb this statement is.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be able to perform my job without a car (or truck or van). i am a mom, a dad, a person confined to a wheel chair that is blessed enough to have an outfitted vehicle, a delivery driver, an EMT, an InstaCart Shopper trying to earn extra money. I am your plumber, your contractor, your landscaper, your childcare provider, your cleaning crew, your Uber (can you imagine telling someone you are picking them up to go to dinner by bike?) and lastly, I am the person who has to take their elderly mother to their doctor's appointments. I cannot do grocery shopping for six on a bicycle FWIW I'm not the one complaining about it.

No one's telling you, doing all those tasks, to do them with a bike. We want to make driving more painful, more inconvenient, and more expensive for the ahole who is driving him or herself to get eggs at the grocery store a mile down the street, with free and plentiful parking available at the destination.

Who is “we?” You vastly overestimate your own power and that of your laughably tiny lobby.

PP might work for Montgomery Planning because that is what they’re trying to do.

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What would it take?

It would take public transportation being faster and easier than driving. But it's not because DC doesn't have enough metro stops and the bus is slow and unpredictable. Why would I add 30-40 min to my commute each way otherwise?

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What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

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No one is murdering people with guns inside my car. Thanks, but I will pass on the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Never fear, they are going to put a bike lane on the American Legion Bridge. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

Unless you work for the government, retail/hospitality or Marriott, or real estate, you probably are not working in Montgomery County and that is a huge problem that none of these things are going to fix.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

Unless you work for the government, retail/hospitality or Marriott, or real estate, you probably are not working in Montgomery County and that is a huge problem that none of these things are going to fix.

Because land use, housing, and transportation policies have nothing to do with jobs? Huh.

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Corporations move to areas where 1) their employee's children can attend excellent public schools and 2) where their employees can afford to live and 3) can get to work quickly and easily.

That is strike 1, 2 and 3 AGAINST Montgomery County. We are not going to get the jobs.

And oh, I will NEVER bike to work, or bike to take the kids to school or other activities, or to go to the doctor or shopping or any other errand

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Anonymous wrote:Corporations move to areas where 1) their employee's children can attend excellent public schools and 2) where their employees can afford to live and 3) can get to work quickly and easily.

That is strike 1, 2 and 3 AGAINST Montgomery County. We are not going to get the jobs.

And oh, I will NEVER bike to work, or bike to take the kids to school or other activities, or to go to the doctor or shopping or any other errand

Corporations also want to be where other companies are, which is strike four.

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Anonymous wrote:What would it take? A multinational corporation to relocate a large office to within 15-30min bike ride of my house in a county that is extremely harsh on taxes. Also would need to be between 50-70 degrees that only happens about 15% of the year. So, basically it would take a miracle, which is why this bike stuff is so dumb

That says a lot about you and not much about "bike stuff".

PP is right. All the bike planning makes no sense unless we start building complete communities that have plentiful jobs at all income levels and housing at all levels of affordability. We spend a lot of time on housing but not much in jobs. Like where are all these people going to work? Right now the answer to that question is Tysons. It’s hard to bike there from NW or Silver Spring. Bike trails and bike lanes won’t change that much.

Everyone will work in Tysons? And nobody will make any trips at all, except to and from work (in Tysons)? No. Yes, we need better land use policies, better housing policies - and better transportation policies. All at once.

Unless you work for the government, retail/hospitality or Marriott, or real estate, you probably are not working in Montgomery County and that is a huge problem that none of these things are going to fix.

Because land use, housing, and transportation policies have nothing to do with jobs? Huh.

They have everything to do with jobs. The primary output of land use, housing, and transportation policies should be job growth.

Montgomery County’s job growth record is terrible and yet we based our master plan on the same things we’ve been doing while the rest of the area got job growth and we didn’t. If you’re part of the MoCo YIMBY echo chamber, now would be a good time to step back, figure out what went wrong, and fix it.

Nice self own though.

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It would take a proper government and no crime. I don’t want my head bashed in on a bike or to be shot or knifed on a bus. Of all the options, being carjacked seems safer. Two drive by gunspray shootings in the last few weeks, 1 metro bus shooting yesterday, 1 knifing today.