4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

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Anonymous wrote:Following the FCPS School Board meeting last week, and based on the personal testimony of some of its members, it’s clear that they are personally invested in gender indoctrination. For this reason, it is comforting to see teachers posting here that, unlike their activist colleagues, they are not comfortable with the proposed changes affecting our kids. Thank you for speaking up!

FCPS needs to fully disclose to its constituents what consulting businesses or any other third parties are involved in this new approach to teaching sex education through the FLE lessons seeking to involve younger students and contemplating no longer separating them by sex when covering explicit contents.

And, are these third parties profiting in any way from indoctrinating our kids on gender confusion? Also, why is it that FCPS, no longer content with having already fully integrated their radical agenda in all areas of learning, now aims to have the FLE lessons/ Sex Ed to be taught to much younger students without separating them in two groups to address developmental changes according to their respective sex? Last, are these new lessons expected to be taught by teachers or by third parties?

For full transparency, this disclosure needs to be sent to each FCPS family via email and by regular mail, translated in all languages represented in the schools, and with a detailed lesson contents per grade for parents to decide if they want their kids to participate. If they do, then they should be asked to fill out forms to Opt-In, exactly the same way we do for field trips because school staff ensures students have signed consent from a parent or guardian before participating. Unfortunately, Opt-out forms are not collected nor followed through with the same level of efficiency. It is for this reason that Opt-Out forms for FLE lessons and Sex Ed are not the best way to go about it since they are not inclusive of those families where English is not fully understood by the parents who need to consent their kids’ participation, or are rather deceiving in that they don’t represent those families that have no access to the internet. Unfortunately, kids from these families are the most affected by the gender activism at schools without the knowledge or consent of their parents or guardians.

Proactive steps to ensure parental knowledge and consent will save taxpayers a fortune, which otherwise will go to continue enriching law firms hired to defend the activists at the school board from being rightly sued. Most importantly, they will protect students by treating them with the dignity and respect they - and their families - deserve.

What’s gender indoctrination? Is it kind of how some parents do gender reveals and immediately put their fetus into gendered roles? Is it how parents buy their boy babies clothes in primary colors with tricks and dinosaurs and their girl babies clothing with flowers and ruffles and muted colors?

No, gender indoctrination is teaching kids that men can become women and women can become men. It erases basic biology.

Gender isn’t related to biology, it is a social construct dork. Only sex is related to biology and for that matter, there are people born with both male and female reproductive parts, so it isn’t a binary. For real: some of you need FLE.

You just made an argument for keeping hoys and girls seprate for FLE, and limiting GLE to anatomical truths of boys and girls, not political and social whims of a genderless and gender fluid society.

FLE is supposed to be the science of human development, which is indeed boy specific and girl specific, male and female only.

Your children do not exist in isolation of the other sex and how their bodies develop and the societal implications of both sexes development, interaction, and relationships. No, they really don’t need to be separate. That’s like saying science classes should be separated by sex or race or whatever other identifier. Nonsensical.

For all the parents saying ES students do not beed to be separated- please feel free to teach FLE to my 26 10 year olds who cannot handle a kiss in a read aloud book. Parents gave NO idea what it is like!

The parents absolutely do know what its like but their need to push an agenda overrides common sense. They keep going around and around repeating the same nonsense talking points despite actual FLE teachers providing their perspective.

It is not parents pushing this nonsense.

It is outside political activists withough childre , and pur extrwmely political left leaning school board who sees your kids as political pawns for blue Virginia twitter points.

None of this is parent driven and none of this is about the kids.

If you gave read this thread there have been many parents supporting this change.

It’s not something I feel passionately about and I wouldn’t push for it but I support this change. Seems like a better approach. And is how we did it back in the 80s (not FCPS).

If teachers are having issues with classroom management in general then maybe FCPS should invest in more teacher training.

Haha! More teacher bashing. More training is not going to help kids not control their giggles of a diagram of a penis. Again, maybe FCPS should require parents come in and teach this.

So the big issue is …. giggling?

Umm, do you have kids? Girls? Or boys? Or were you ever a kid?

So the big uproar is over giggling. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Following the FCPS School Board meeting last week, and based on the personal testimony of some of its members, it’s clear that they are personally invested in gender indoctrination. For this reason, it is comforting to see teachers posting here that, unlike their activist colleagues, they are not comfortable with the proposed changes affecting our kids. Thank you for speaking up!

FCPS needs to fully disclose to its constituents what consulting businesses or any other third parties are involved in this new approach to teaching sex education through the FLE lessons seeking to involve younger students and contemplating no longer separating them by sex when covering explicit contents.

And, are these third parties profiting in any way from indoctrinating our kids on gender confusion? Also, why is it that FCPS, no longer content with having already fully integrated their radical agenda in all areas of learning, now aims to have the FLE lessons/ Sex Ed to be taught to much younger students without separating them in two groups to address developmental changes according to their respective sex? Last, are these new lessons expected to be taught by teachers or by third parties?

For full transparency, this disclosure needs to be sent to each FCPS family via email and by regular mail, translated in all languages represented in the schools, and with a detailed lesson contents per grade for parents to decide if they want their kids to participate. If they do, then they should be asked to fill out forms to Opt-In, exactly the same way we do for field trips because school staff ensures students have signed consent from a parent or guardian before participating. Unfortunately, Opt-out forms are not collected nor followed through with the same level of efficiency. It is for this reason that Opt-Out forms for FLE lessons and Sex Ed are not the best way to go about it since they are not inclusive of those families where English is not fully understood by the parents who need to consent their kids’ participation, or are rather deceiving in that they don’t represent those families that have no access to the internet. Unfortunately, kids from these families are the most affected by the gender activism at schools without the knowledge or consent of their parents or guardians.

Proactive steps to ensure parental knowledge and consent will save taxpayers a fortune, which otherwise will go to continue enriching law firms hired to defend the activists at the school board from being rightly sued. Most importantly, they will protect students by treating them with the dignity and respect they - and their families - deserve.

What’s gender indoctrination? Is it kind of how some parents do gender reveals and immediately put their fetus into gendered roles? Is it how parents buy their boy babies clothes in primary colors with tricks and dinosaurs and their girl babies clothing with flowers and ruffles and muted colors?

No, gender indoctrination is teaching kids that men can become women and women can become men. It erases basic biology.

Gender isn’t related to biology, it is a social construct dork. Only sex is related to biology and for that matter, there are people born with both male and female reproductive parts, so it isn’t a binary. For real: some of you need FLE.

You just made an argument for keeping hoys and girls seprate for FLE, and limiting GLE to anatomical truths of boys and girls, not political and social whims of a genderless and gender fluid society.

FLE is supposed to be the science of human development, which is indeed boy specific and girl specific, male and female only.

Your children do not exist in isolation of the other sex and how their bodies develop and the societal implications of both sexes development, interaction, and relationships. No, they really don’t need to be separate. That’s like saying science classes should be separated by sex or race or whatever other identifier. Nonsensical.

For all the parents saying ES students do not beed to be separated- please feel free to teach FLE to my 26 10 year olds who cannot handle a kiss in a read aloud book. Parents gave NO idea what it is like!

The parents absolutely do know what its like but their need to push an agenda overrides common sense. They keep going around and around repeating the same nonsense talking points despite actual FLE teachers providing their perspective.

It is not parents pushing this nonsense.

It is outside political activists withough childre , and pur extrwmely political left leaning school board who sees your kids as political pawns for blue Virginia twitter points.

None of this is parent driven and none of this is about the kids.

If you gave read this thread there have been many parents supporting this change.

It’s not something I feel passionately about and I wouldn’t push for it but I support this change. Seems like a better approach. And is how we did it back in the 80s (not FCPS).

If teachers are having issues with classroom management in general then maybe FCPS should invest in more teacher training.

Haha! More teacher bashing. More training is not going to help kids not control their giggles of a diagram of a penis. Again, maybe FCPS should require parents come in and teach this.

So the big issue is …. giggling?

Umm, do you have kids? Girls? Or boys? Or were you ever a kid?

So the big uproar is over giggling. Got it.

I have had lots of tears and two kids faint during a FLE lesson. There is some giggling, but not much.

[Anonymous]

Thank you, teachers, for your reasonable input. I hope you will contact the board and that maybe they will listen to you.

And other people please read and stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders. They do from fifth grade on up. And they are together in the older grades as well. We’re really just talking about the 4th/5th timeline for them to be separated. In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately. In fifth it’s still separate but they learn about both genders.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t there be three groups? One group for females, one for males and one combined. Parents and students could chose whether they want single sex or combined class. The district and schools would get feedback on which was the preference of most students and families. Teachers could provide feedback on if more questions were being asked in single sex vs combined groups.

Fcps won't do tuis because if given a choice, no one would choose the combined gender class, except maybe one or two kids whose parents are extreme.

+1, so true

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Anonymous wrote:Following the FCPS School Board meeting last week, and based on the personal testimony of some of its members, it’s clear that they are personally invested in gender indoctrination. For this reason, it is comforting to see teachers posting here that, unlike their activist colleagues, they are not comfortable with the proposed changes affecting our kids. Thank you for speaking up!

FCPS needs to fully disclose to its constituents what consulting businesses or any other third parties are involved in this new approach to teaching sex education through the FLE lessons seeking to involve younger students and contemplating no longer separating them by sex when covering explicit contents.

And, are these third parties profiting in any way from indoctrinating our kids on gender confusion? Also, why is it that FCPS, no longer content with having already fully integrated their radical agenda in all areas of learning, now aims to have the FLE lessons/ Sex Ed to be taught to much younger students without separating them in two groups to address developmental changes according to their respective sex? Last, are these new lessons expected to be taught by teachers or by third parties?

For full transparency, this disclosure needs to be sent to each FCPS family via email and by regular mail, translated in all languages represented in the schools, and with a detailed lesson contents per grade for parents to decide if they want their kids to participate. If they do, then they should be asked to fill out forms to Opt-In, exactly the same way we do for field trips because school staff ensures students have signed consent from a parent or guardian before participating. Unfortunately, Opt-out forms are not collected nor followed through with the same level of efficiency. It is for this reason that Opt-Out forms for FLE lessons and Sex Ed are not the best way to go about it since they are not inclusive of those families where English is not fully understood by the parents who need to consent their kids’ participation, or are rather deceiving in that they don’t represent those families that have no access to the internet. Unfortunately, kids from these families are the most affected by the gender activism at schools without the knowledge or consent of their parents or guardians.

Proactive steps to ensure parental knowledge and consent will save taxpayers a fortune, which otherwise will go to continue enriching law firms hired to defend the activists at the school board from being rightly sued. Most importantly, they will protect students by treating them with the dignity and respect they - and their families - deserve.

What’s gender indoctrination? Is it kind of how some parents do gender reveals and immediately put their fetus into gendered roles? Is it how parents buy their boy babies clothes in primary colors with tricks and dinosaurs and their girl babies clothing with flowers and ruffles and muted colors?

No, gender indoctrination is teaching kids that men can become women and women can become men. It erases basic biology.

Gender isn’t related to biology, it is a social construct dork. Only sex is related to biology and for that matter, there are people born with both male and female reproductive parts, so it isn’t a binary. For real: some of you need FLE.

You just made an argument for keeping hoys and girls seprate for FLE, and limiting GLE to anatomical truths of boys and girls, not political and social whims of a genderless and gender fluid society.

FLE is supposed to be the science of human development, which is indeed boy specific and girl specific, male and female only.

Your children do not exist in isolation of the other sex and how their bodies develop and the societal implications of both sexes development, interaction, and relationships. No, they really don’t need to be separate. That’s like saying science classes should be separated by sex or race or whatever other identifier. Nonsensical.

For all the parents saying ES students do not beed to be separated- please feel free to teach FLE to my 26 10 year olds who cannot handle a kiss in a read aloud book. Parents gave NO idea what it is like!

The parents absolutely do know what its like but their need to push an agenda overrides common sense. They keep going around and around repeating the same nonsense talking points despite actual FLE teachers providing their perspective.

It is not parents pushing this nonsense.

It is outside political activists withough childre , and pur extrwmely political left leaning school board who sees your kids as political pawns for blue Virginia twitter points.

None of this is parent driven and none of this is about the kids.

If you gave read this thread there have been many parents supporting this change.

It’s not something I feel passionately about and I wouldn’t push for it but I support this change. Seems like a better approach. And is how we did it back in the 80s (not FCPS).

If teachers are having issues with classroom management in general then maybe FCPS should invest in more teacher training.

Haha! More teacher bashing. More training is not going to help kids not control their giggles of a diagram of a penis. Again, maybe FCPS should require parents come in and teach this.

So the big issue is …. giggling?

Umm, do you have kids? Girls? Or boys? Or were you ever a kid?

So the big uproar is over giggling. Got it.

It’s not, and you know that - this issue has been explained multiple times in this post.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t there be three groups? One group for females, one for males and one combined. Parents and students could chose whether they want single sex or combined class. The district and schools would get feedback on which was the preference of most students and families. Teachers could provide feedback on if more questions were being asked in single sex vs combined groups.

Fcps won't do tuis because if given a choice, no one would choose the combined gender class, except maybe one or two kids whose parents are extreme.

+1, so true

+1,000 no parent will choose mixed genders.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t there be three groups? One group for females, one for males and one combined. Parents and students could chose whether they want single sex or combined class. The district and schools would get feedback on which was the preference of most students and families. Teachers could provide feedback on if more questions were being asked in single sex vs combined groups.

No enough staffing

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t there be three groups? One group for females, one for males and one combined. Parents and students could chose whether they want single sex or combined class. The district and schools would get feedback on which was the preference of most students and families. Teachers could provide feedback on if more questions were being asked in single sex vs combined groups.

No enough staffing

+1

Master schedules are already difficult and logistics admin have to deal with and this won’t make it easier.

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Anonymous wrote:Following the FCPS School Board meeting last week, and based on the personal testimony of some of its members, it’s clear that they are personally invested in gender indoctrination. For this reason, it is comforting to see teachers posting here that, unlike their activist colleagues, they are not comfortable with the proposed changes affecting our kids. Thank you for speaking up!

FCPS needs to fully disclose to its constituents what consulting businesses or any other third parties are involved in this new approach to teaching sex education through the FLE lessons seeking to involve younger students and contemplating no longer separating them by sex when covering explicit contents.

And, are these third parties profiting in any way from indoctrinating our kids on gender confusion? Also, why is it that FCPS, no longer content with having already fully integrated their radical agenda in all areas of learning, now aims to have the FLE lessons/ Sex Ed to be taught to much younger students without separating them in two groups to address developmental changes according to their respective sex? Last, are these new lessons expected to be taught by teachers or by third parties?

For full transparency, this disclosure needs to be sent to each FCPS family via email and by regular mail, translated in all languages represented in the schools, and with a detailed lesson contents per grade for parents to decide if they want their kids to participate. If they do, then they should be asked to fill out forms to Opt-In, exactly the same way we do for field trips because school staff ensures students have signed consent from a parent or guardian before participating. Unfortunately, Opt-out forms are not collected nor followed through with the same level of efficiency. It is for this reason that Opt-Out forms for FLE lessons and Sex Ed are not the best way to go about it since they are not inclusive of those families where English is not fully understood by the parents who need to consent their kids’ participation, or are rather deceiving in that they don’t represent those families that have no access to the internet. Unfortunately, kids from these families are the most affected by the gender activism at schools without the knowledge or consent of their parents or guardians.

Proactive steps to ensure parental knowledge and consent will save taxpayers a fortune, which otherwise will go to continue enriching law firms hired to defend the activists at the school board from being rightly sued. Most importantly, they will protect students by treating them with the dignity and respect they - and their families - deserve.

What’s gender indoctrination? Is it kind of how some parents do gender reveals and immediately put their fetus into gendered roles? Is it how parents buy their boy babies clothes in primary colors with tricks and dinosaurs and their girl babies clothing with flowers and ruffles and muted colors?

No, gender indoctrination is teaching kids that men can become women and women can become men. It erases basic biology.

Gender isn’t related to biology, it is a social construct dork. Only sex is related to biology and for that matter, there are people born with both male and female reproductive parts, so it isn’t a binary. For real: some of you need FLE.

You just made an argument for keeping hoys and girls seprate for FLE, and limiting GLE to anatomical truths of boys and girls, not political and social whims of a genderless and gender fluid society.

FLE is supposed to be the science of human development, which is indeed boy specific and girl specific, male and female only.

Your children do not exist in isolation of the other sex and how their bodies develop and the societal implications of both sexes development, interaction, and relationships. No, they really don’t need to be separate. That’s like saying science classes should be separated by sex or race or whatever other identifier. Nonsensical.

For all the parents saying ES students do not beed to be separated- please feel free to teach FLE to my 26 10 year olds who cannot handle a kiss in a read aloud book. Parents gave NO idea what it is like!

The parents absolutely do know what its like but their need to push an agenda overrides common sense. They keep going around and around repeating the same nonsense talking points despite actual FLE teachers providing their perspective.

It is not parents pushing this nonsense.

It is outside political activists withough childre , and pur extrwmely political left leaning school board who sees your kids as political pawns for blue Virginia twitter points.

None of this is parent driven and none of this is about the kids.

If you gave read this thread there have been many parents supporting this change.

It’s not something I feel passionately about and I wouldn’t push for it but I support this change. Seems like a better approach. And is how we did it back in the 80s (not FCPS).

If teachers are having issues with classroom management in general then maybe FCPS should invest in more teacher training.

Haha! More teacher bashing. More training is not going to help kids not control their giggles of a diagram of a penis. Again, maybe FCPS should require parents come in and teach this.

So the big issue is …. giggling?

Umm, do you have kids? Girls? Or boys? Or were you ever a kid?

So the big uproar is over giggling. Got it.

I have had lots of tears and two kids faint during a FLE lesson. There is some giggling, but not much.

FAINT? WTAF are you teaching?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t there be three groups? One group for females, one for males and one combined. Parents and students could chose whether they want single sex or combined class. The district and schools would get feedback on which was the preference of most students and families. Teachers could provide feedback on if more questions were being asked in single sex vs combined groups.

Fcps won't do tuis because if given a choice, no one would choose the combined gender class, except maybe one or two kids whose parents are extreme.

+1, so true

+1,000 no parent will choose mixed genders.

It’s an inefficient approach. Don’t add a THIRD cohort.

Throw them all together. They will be fine. The parents might explode though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, teachers, for your reasonable input. I hope you will contact the board and that maybe they will listen to you.

And other people please read and stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders. They do from fifth grade on up. And they are together in the older grades as well. We’re really just talking about the 4th/5th timeline for them to be separated. In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately. In fifth it’s still separate but they learn about both genders.

Wait.

Are you saying that in addition to being separated by gender in the classroom (unnecessarily) that they should learn DIFFERENT material?

WTF? That is so backwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, teachers, for your reasonable input. I hope you will contact the board and that maybe they will listen to you.

And other people please read and stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders. They do from fifth grade on up. And they are together in the older grades as well. We’re really just talking about the 4th/5th timeline for them to be separated. In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately. In fifth it’s still separate but they learn about both genders.

Wait.

Are you saying that in addition to being separated by gender in the classroom (unnecessarily) that they should learn DIFFERENT material?

WTF? That is so backwards.

No that’s not what this poster said at all. Are you stupid or something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, teachers, for your reasonable input. I hope you will contact the board and that maybe they will listen to you.

And other people please read and stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders. They do from fifth grade on up. And they are together in the older grades as well. We’re really just talking about the 4th/5th timeline for them to be separated. In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately. In fifth it’s still separate but they learn about both genders.

Wait.

Are you saying that in addition to being separated by gender in the classroom (unnecessarily) that they should learn DIFFERENT material?

WTF? That is so backwards.

No that’s not what this poster said at all. Are you stupid or something?

That is exactly what PP said.

“stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders”

“In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, teachers, for your reasonable input. I hope you will contact the board and that maybe they will listen to you.

And other people please read and stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders. They do from fifth grade on up. And they are together in the older grades as well. We’re really just talking about the 4th/5th timeline for them to be separated. In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately. In fifth it’s still separate but they learn about both genders.

Wait.

Are you saying that in addition to being separated by gender in the classroom (unnecessarily) that they should learn DIFFERENT material?

WTF? That is so backwards.

No that’s not what this poster said at all. Are you stupid or something?

That is exactly what PP said.

“stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders”

“In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately.”

NO. I am tired of everyone posting without actually reading. Let me type this super slow:
Stop yelling about them needing to learn about both genders….because they already do learn about both genders. They only don’t learn about both genders in 4th grade, when they are 9, and it’s their very first FLE lesson.

If you actually knew the FLE curriculum you would know this and it would be clear what I meant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, teachers, for your reasonable input. I hope you will contact the board and that maybe they will listen to you.

And other people please read and stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders. They do from fifth grade on up. And they are together in the older grades as well. We’re really just talking about the 4th/5th timeline for them to be separated. In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately. In fifth it’s still separate but they learn about both genders.

Wait.

Are you saying that in addition to being separated by gender in the classroom (unnecessarily) that they should learn DIFFERENT material?

WTF? That is so backwards.

No that’s not what this poster said at all. Are you stupid or something?

That is exactly what PP said.

“stop yelling that everyone should learn about both genders”

“In 4th, when they are 9 years old, it’s their first lesson and they learn only about their gender separately.”

So if you move to another school district for 5th grade, your DC will never ever learn the biology of the opposite sex.

Or something.