BA.2 surge hitting US in April/May

[Anonymous]

Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man lots of deluded people here. Two months ago hospitals around me were collapsing under the weight of "mild" omicron cases.

Lots of people who died were 30 thru 60. LOTS!

And most of them were already extremely ill or morbidly obese.

Nope, deluded one.

We know most of them were unvaccinated - that is published data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

How old were they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

The problem with that data gathering is that people are only considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second shot. Meaning, people that die from negative side effects from the shot or from the increased Covid vulnerability window post vaccine are all considered unvaccinated Covid deaths. Something to consider.

[Anonymous]

I do wonder how well the vaccines will hold up with a new surge since most people were boosted last fall, especially older people. If they aren’t as effective during another surge that could spell trouble. Maybe why Moderna and Pfizer are seeking approval for a second booster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how well the vaccines will hold up with a new surge since most people were boosted last fall, especially older people. If they aren’t as effective during another surge that could spell trouble. Maybe why Moderna and Pfizer are seeking approval for a second booster.

They’re not effective against mild illness for more than a few months. The protection against severe disease lasts longer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

How many times have stats been ‘quietly adjusted’

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

The bolded statement is not true. Vaccines were not widely available to all after April 12. That's when the window for making appointments opened for younger healthy people. The pharmacies would not allow the younger population to schedule unless you lied. In any event, people were not fully vaccinated on that date even if they could have gotten appointments.

It probably doesn't matter for the argument you are making, but it was a while before younger people without health conditions could get vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

The bolded statement is not true. Vaccines were not widely available to all after April 12. That's when the window for making appointments opened for younger healthy people. The pharmacies would not allow the younger population to schedule unless you lied. In any event, people were not fully vaccinated on that date even if they could have gotten appointments.

It probably doesn't matter for the argument you are making, but it was a while before younger people without health conditions could get vaccinated.

Oh, I know that. The first pp was making the point that the number of vaccinated deaths was low. I was trying to point out that unvaccinated deaths in that same time frame is also low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

The problem with that data gathering is that people are only considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second shot. Meaning, people that die from negative side effects from the shot or from the increased Covid vulnerability window post vaccine are all considered unvaccinated Covid deaths. Something to consider.

Please tell us exactly how many of those 4578 deaths you suspect are actually post-vaccination deaths and where you come up with your guess. Because even if you said a quarter of them are deaths from the shot (extremely unlikely) you still have more unvaccinated people dying than vaccinated. And especially as you consider the percentage of people vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in Maryland (nearly 75% fully vaccinated) -- that means a much higher percentage of unvaccinated deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man lots of deluded people here. Two months ago hospitals around me were collapsing under the weight of "mild" omicron cases.

Lots of people who died were 30 thru 60. LOTS!

And most of them were already extremely ill or morbidly obese.

Nope, deluded one.

If you think most covid deaths happened to young, thin, healthy people…I don’t know what to tell you. You’re about as out of touch with reality as the people who think Hilary ran a kiddie porn ring in a pizza shop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

The problem with that data gathering is that people are only considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second shot. Meaning, people that die from negative side effects from the shot or from the increased Covid vulnerability window post vaccine are all considered unvaccinated Covid deaths. Something to consider.

People dying from negative side effects of the shot?
This conversation is for people with brains. Clearly not you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not worried. We had omicron. Thankfully it was nothing for our family. My youngest was much more sick from her last cold.

You were lucky. Maybe. You do not know the long term effects that can surface in the future. Studies show you have been affected but may not have symptoms yet.

Long Covid affects the vaccinated too so it’s not just a cold and it’s irresponsible to compare Covid to a cold. It travels to the brain unlike other viruses. It is not a joke.

And not everyone can be vaccinated yet so it would be appreciated if we could still treat this as a serious virus.

Risk is low right now (we think) but if it surges again, I hope people will be responsible. Western Europe is having problems again so we may be next.

Long COVID isn't a thing anymore than long cold or long flu long stubbed toe. Why can't you just move on already.

The AMA disagrees with you. https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-long-covid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today's stats show 14,286 covid deaths in Md.
Vaccines were reported to be readily available to all Mders 16+ starting April 12, 2021.
The total deaths on 4/12/21 was 8,284. Since that day, there have been 6,002 covid deaths. Of those, 1434 were vaccinated. That leaves 4,578 covid deaths in unvaccinated people *after* vaccines were readily available. So 3 times the deaths in unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

The problem with that data gathering is that people are only considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second shot. Meaning, people that die from negative side effects from the shot or from the increased Covid vulnerability window post vaccine are all considered unvaccinated Covid deaths. Something to consider.

Please tell us exactly how many of those 4578 deaths you suspect are actually post-vaccination deaths and where you come up with your guess. Because even if you said a quarter of them are deaths from the shot (extremely unlikely) you still have more unvaccinated people dying than vaccinated. And especially as you consider the percentage of people vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in Maryland (nearly 75% fully vaccinated) -- that means a much higher percentage of unvaccinated deaths.

I have never heard anything to the effect that people who die as a result of the vaccine (e.g. myocarditis) are considered unvaccinated covid deaths. They do not die from a covid infection at all, they die due to a rare response to the vaccine.

Nor have I seen anything that say you are at heightened risk from covid infection in the 2 weeks after you receive the vaccine. I'm pretty sure this phenomenon, if real, would have emerged with data and we would have heard plenty about it.