Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've posted a bunch in this thread (but not for the last 5 or 6 pages, you guys have been busy) but I'm not a Blake Lively fan. I don't like her and actually over the summer I was in this thread posting about how awful she was in that interview that got posted everywhere and I thought her promotion of this movie was incredibly tone deaf.

But I'm defending her in this battle with Baldoni. Not because I think she's for sure right about everything but because she's alleging stuff I have experienced in the workplace and I have found the level of dismissiveness in this thread bizarre. Like if it turns out she's lying about everything, that's one thing. But people in this thread are acting like it's no big deal if a producer insists on talking to an actress while she's topless, against her express wishes. Or like an actress who is wearing very little clothing and filming a scene simulating childbirth with her feet in stirrups is crazy for wanting a higher level of sensitivity/professionalism while that scenes is shot. And so on. There is this weird desire for people to just dismiss everything she's saying out of hand, because they don't like her.

I don't like her but sexual harassment is a serious problem and even people with annoying personalities deserve safe, harassment-free workplaces. People in this thread are engaging in a ton of gaslighting, blaming the victim, and other common behaviors used to silence people who speak up about this kind of mistreatment. I don't like it, so I'm defending her. Even though I have no interest in seeing this movie, don't think she's a good actress, and find her and her husband pretty annoying.

You experienced having to do a childbirth scene in your job? wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've posted a bunch in this thread (but not for the last 5 or 6 pages, you guys have been busy) but I'm not a Blake Lively fan. I don't like her and actually over the summer I was in this thread posting about how awful she was in that interview that got posted everywhere and I thought her promotion of this movie was incredibly tone deaf.

But I'm defending her in this battle with Baldoni. Not because I think she's for sure right about everything but because she's alleging stuff I have experienced in the workplace and I have found the level of dismissiveness in this thread bizarre. Like if it turns out she's lying about everything, that's one thing. But people in this thread are acting like it's no big deal if a producer insists on talking to an actress while she's topless, against her express wishes. Or like an actress who is wearing very little clothing and filming a scene simulating childbirth with her feet in stirrups is crazy for wanting a higher level of sensitivity/professionalism while that scenes is shot. And so on. There is this weird desire for people to just dismiss everything she's saying out of hand, because they don't like her.

I don't like her but sexual harassment is a serious problem and even people with annoying personalities deserve safe, harassment-free workplaces. People in this thread are engaging in a ton of gaslighting, blaming the victim, and other common behaviors used to silence people who speak up about this kind of mistreatment. I don't like it, so I'm defending her. Even though I have no interest in seeing this movie, don't think she's a good actress, and find her and her husband pretty annoying.

Thank you very much for this comment. This is basically how I feel too, although I have watched the movie. I don’t care about Blake Lively except that some of what she is complaining about resonated with me also. And the spin in this thread from the Baldoni supporters is crazy, to me.

It isn’t spin. There are three complaints. Some people read all three and reached conclusions.

Exactly. People on this thread seem to take sexual-harassment very seriously but a lot of these are very murky incidents and hardly straightforward.

People are saying, Justin took on too much and couldn’t run a good set, directing and acting and being inexperienced was too much, well maybe Blake shouldn’t have tried to be starring in a movie after having her fourth kid, and getting ready to launch a hair line, while running her drink lines. It’s possible she took on too much too.

The latest story about the incident with Jamie Heath in her trailer annoys me because why is she so special that she just couldn’t meet with the other producers? I just don’t know why she had to have her makeup taken off at exactly that moment. It seems like she was comfortable breast-feeding onset, so why couldn’t she have just gone to the meeting with her baby and taken the makeup off after? It seems ridiculous that she wanted a special meeting in her trailer with the cofounder of the production company.

I also get the feeling that she is constantly thinking people want to look at her boobs or think that she’s so hot that men can act normal around her. Maybe she was with a bunch of buffoons that acted totally inappropriately but it just seems strange since so many people on that that made her uncomfortable. at first when she made these complaints I thought I was just Justin and he must be a real creep but it seems like she had a problem with a lot of different men.

The whole trailer meeting thing is very confusing. Why couldn’t she just take a 20 minute break to breastfeed? Why couldn’t the conversation have been on the phone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t keep up with this thread or current thoughts. Can someone post an order of operations of what happened? Something like:

- NYT article published saying JB had negative PR plants against BL
- BL sues JB for sexual harassment. Something something in works for months prior
- then what happened? Did JB counter sued BL for libel or something? $400M?

Lots of stories and posts have seriously confused me on order of operations as various stories entered the news / this site.

the order of events is very confusing - and this works out in JB’s favor since IMO the retaliation claim is really the only strong legal claim against him. But with everything happening it really does seem like it was an ongoing dispute about control of the movie and JB can make a credible case that his decision to hire the PR agent was in reaction to her continued efforts to sideline him and not in reaction to her complaint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who hires Blake now knows that if Blake does not get her way, Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift will be up their ass. I am thinking many people will decide they would rather not deal with that. Well done by Justin Baldoni and his attorneys.

Yeah I think RR has the star power and financial record of megahits to weather this, but BL career does not.

[Anonymous]

PP here. They should probably settle this soon.
Not seeing the evidence of sh. Let’s all move on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Agree. I don't know if she was harassed or not and that will be determined by someone else who has access to all the evidence (if it doesn't settle first).

Maybe more will come out, maybe Baldoni's narrative will prevail. But in this thread, a lot of posters are acting like even if Lively's allegations are true, they aren't a big deal. I disagree. If she really experienced what her complaint details, I think that's harassment and should be called out, and would be especially problematic coming from Baldoni and Heath who actually profit off of public reputations as "make feminists" via their podcast and Baldoni's book, and they use that rep to tell stories about women via their production company.

[Anonymous]

^ should say male feminists

[Anonymous]

Taylor Swift works so hard to curate and control her image so she can’t be too pleased to have her name dragged into this dumpster fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here. They should probably settle this soon.
Not seeing the evidence of sh. Let’s all move on

Agree

[Anonymous]

My take, JB didn’t manage things well and in trying to make BL happy he created a monster.

BL didn’t get everything she wanted along with some negative press related to her own behaviors in interviews. She went back to every interaction and remembered it now with a negative lens. She may actually believe her own claims based on some of her delusional texts. This shouldn’t go to trial, it will hurt everyone but BL has the most to lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take, JB didn’t manage things well and in trying to make BL happy he created a monster.

BL didn’t get everything she wanted along with some negative press related to her own behaviors in interviews. She went back to every interaction and remembered it now with a negative lens. She may actually believe her own claims based on some of her delusional texts. This shouldn’t go to trial, it will hurt everyone but BL has the most to lose.

Can you give examples of her delusional texts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take, JB didn’t manage things well and in trying to make BL happy he created a monster.

BL didn’t get everything she wanted along with some negative press related to her own behaviors in interviews. She went back to every interaction and remembered it now with a negative lens. She may actually believe her own claims based on some of her delusional texts. This shouldn’t go to trial, it will hurt everyone but BL has the most to lose.

This is a good summary. I don’t think Blake is an evil person, I do think her husband, team etc egged her on and helped convince her some of the interactions on set were more problematic than they actually were. And she seemed really insecure about her body in general and it doesn’t seem like anyone else cared. This was never going be a movie with a ton of nudity or heavy sex scenes. She seemed over obsessed with it from the start, which is understandable given she had a baby but no one else was.

I also think she’s just plain delusional if she thinks Justin Baldoni is responsible for dipping product sales. Celeb brands fail all the time.

Blake has always just been a little rude and not great at interviews. No one cared before because she was like a c list actress. Now she’s just in our face all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Thanks for this, too. Hard agree. Lots of resentment of women in this thread, from my perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Please quote the specific post that said she brought harrassment on herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters seem to have come over from the MRA board. Sexual harassment is rarely about how hot someone is. Women who aren’t the hottest can also be sexually harassed. The argument that there is no way anything untoward happened because she isn’t hot enough is nonsense.

The last few pages on how she brought any harassment that happened on herself. And he can’t help it, it’s not natural to to keep your bag turned so it’s fine if he looked regardless of what she asked, and now she isn’t hot enough to be harassed. Some of you are leaning hard into the misogynistic blame game. It was her fault, she deserved it, men can’t help themself, she isn’t hot enough for that to be called harassment.

Please quote the specific post that said she brought harrassment on herself.

DP but the posts saying she caused the Justin problem herself by inviting him into her trailer in the first place when she was changing or whatever are like that for me.