US has no good options in Ukraine

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I’m watching the morning news shows. Is anyone else noticing a shift in the narrative? Like, the media is conditioning us to the idea of going to war? Same with the administration? I’m starting to get concerned that we are going to be pulled into a war with Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:So that strike on Polish boarder was pretty close to Poland. Is NATO on that boarder? Are they going to reinforce it?

Also, IMO, the US does neo-nazi best and we have the most, hands down.

Nothing compared to Europe. Greece elected them into Parliament, with substantial share of the vote.

“Good people on both sides”

We had one that was president.

It’s still nothing compared to Europe. Please educate yourself.

I'm French. You're wrong. No country in western Europe has a neo-Nazi/white supremacist/racism problem like the USA, given that the previous American President supported them in office, which is shocking. However, every country has anti-semitism and xenophobia issues, to varying degrees, and it's worse in some eastern European countries than it others. The USA CANNOT give lessons here, given the consequences of slavery that still exists to this day, particularly in the south. I was heartened to see guilty verdicts in the Arbery case, but for every case like this, there are dozens more where perpetrators aren't even known or arrested, because there is no video evidence and their communities protect them.

you’re talking about at least three different issues here. No one is arguing the US can give lessons on this. No one is discussing the justice system.

We are solely discussing neo-Nazis and anti-semitism. Europe absolutely has higher levels of both.

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Anonymous wrote:And before he became a president, he was a great comedian, like Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert. This is one of his most famous videos (yes, it's not very polite, but it's very funny):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oua0Puihrkc

And Zelensky had a horrible approval rating among Ukranians before the war - around 25% - which is why Putin thought his special forces could waltz right into Kyiv, decapitate the leadership, install his puppet, and the Ukranians would be happy.

Putin completely misread the situation, largely due to the fact that no one knew how utterly BRAVE Zelensky is - and how much he loves his country. Turns out that being a famous TV personality doesn't make you very good at governing, but it can make you awfully good at inspiring people and producing propaganda.

Hmm, where have we seen that before?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m watching the morning news shows. Is anyone else noticing a shift in the narrative? Like, the media is conditioning us to the idea of going to war? Same with the administration? I’m starting to get concerned that we are going to be pulled into a war with Russia.

You're paranoid.

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Anonymous wrote:And before he became a president, he was a great comedian, like Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert. This is one of his most famous videos (yes, it's not very polite, but it's very funny):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oua0Puihrkc

And Zelensky had a horrible approval rating among Ukranians before the war - around 25% - which is why Putin thought his special forces could waltz right into Kyiv, decapitate the leadership, install his puppet, and the Ukranians would be happy.

Putin completely misread the situation, largely due to the fact that no one knew how utterly BRAVE Zelensky is - and how much he loves his country. Turns out that being a famous TV personality doesn't make you very good at governing, but it can make you awfully good at inspiring people and producing propaganda.

Hmm, where have we seen that before?

Enlighten us.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m watching the morning news shows. Is anyone else noticing a shift in the narrative? Like, the media is conditioning us to the idea of going to war? Same with the administration? I’m starting to get concerned that we are going to be pulled into a war with Russia.

You're paranoid.

Ok, maybe I am. But, can you convince me that the US isn’t going to be drawn into this war. It seems increasingly likely that Russia will invade a nato member. And the narrative from the political talking heads is changing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m watching the morning news shows. Is anyone else noticing a shift in the narrative? Like, the media is conditioning us to the idea of going to war? Same with the administration? I’m starting to get concerned that we are going to be pulled into a war with Russia.

You're paranoid.

DP here, but there's no deliberate conditioning. The shift is based on the reality on the ground, due to the atrocities perpetrated which are all over social media and affect public opinion in every "westernized" country, the possibility of chemical warfare, which would aggravate the humanitarian crisis, as well as today's attacks close to NATO borders. An attack on one NATO country is an attack on all. The alliance guarantees mutual defense.

Yes, we are inching towards WWIII. But there is no propaganda about it. The facts are there - the conflict is escalating and NATO is desperately trying to help Ukraine yet stay out of the conflict.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m watching the morning news shows. Is anyone else noticing a shift in the narrative? Like, the media is conditioning us to the idea of going to war? Same with the administration? I’m starting to get concerned that we are going to be pulled into a war with Russia.

You're paranoid.

Ok, maybe I am. But, can you convince me that the US isn’t going to be drawn into this war. It seems increasingly likely that Russia will invade a nato member. And the narrative from the political talking heads is changing.

No. We cannot. If Russia attacks a NATO member then we are at war because he will have attacked us. The choice is surrender or defend. Take your pick but be honest with yourself about it.

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This. Yes, we're getting very close to being drawn into this, but not because we want to. As I've said on here before, Putin is spoiling for a fight and keeps upping the ante to draw NATO in. The question is not whetehr we enter, but when and in response to which trigger.

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Anonymous wrote:This. Yes, we're getting very close to being drawn into this, but not because we want to. As I've said on here before, Putin is spoiling for a fight and keeps upping the ante to draw NATO in. The question is not whetehr we enter, but when and in response to which trigger.

Explain why he wants to fight NATO? For what?

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Anonymous wrote:This. Yes, we're getting very close to being drawn into this, but not because we want to. As I've said on here before, Putin is spoiling for a fight and keeps upping the ante to draw NATO in. The question is not whetehr we enter, but when and in response to which trigger.

I don't know about that. WHy is he not taking Kiev yet? He could, why is he so slow on the ground? He could have bombed Kiev to the ground by now, but he didn't. Seems to me NATO wants a fight.

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Why was my post deleted saying I have no idea which news to watch anymore?
I was not referring to Fox and Liar's networks? But, opinions of legit NATO officers?

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Putin I don’t know if this has been added to this thread yet, by Putin has put some of his intelligence chiefs on house arrest.

I sincerely hope this is a sign that he’s picking some scapegoats for his decisions, and is planning to pull his forces back. US officials said Russians are actually open to diplomatic talks with Ukraine now.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m watching the morning news shows. Is anyone else noticing a shift in the narrative? Like, the media is conditioning us to the idea of going to war? Same with the administration? I’m starting to get concerned that we are going to be pulled into a war with Russia.

You're paranoid.

Ok, maybe I am. But, can you convince me that the US isn’t going to be drawn into this war. It seems increasingly likely that Russia will invade a nato member. And the narrative from the political talking heads is changing.

No. We cannot. If Russia attacks a NATO member then we are at war because he will have attacked us. The choice is surrender or defend. Take your pick but be honest with yourself about it.

We won't be. Doesn't Putin have some supersonic missiles? It would be idiotic to risk a WW for Ukraine or Estonia. That is why Kamala was in Poland, to give them a talk down about sending planes to Ukraine. That is an open war proclamation by Poland to Russia.