FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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If vouchers were allowed not sure how that would impact all of this in FCPS.

There will be growth in private schools, I suspect.

I think it's hilarious that people think the private schools around here want/will accept their kids. Go ahead and take your voucher and see how far it gets you.

I believe in public schools, but if you do not understand that there will be ADDITIONAL private schools, I think you are sadly mistaken. Do you even read this forum?
Sadly, most Fairfax parents do not believe their children will be affected. If this plan goes as SB wants, more kids will be affected than parents realize. Just wait until they have two kids assigned to two different high schools.

What do they plan to do with AP/IB students when they start the shift?

Where are they going to get the additional buses needed?

I wouldn't send my kid to a new pop-up private school that exists solely to gobble up voucher dollars. Good luck with the college rat race.

I wouldn’t send my kids a school with a gang problem. I guess different priorities 🤷‍♂️

Look into the private school shift in the South in the 70's after desegregation and how horrible those schools are to this day and then get back to me.

DP. Those private schools may not be Sidwell but they are often the far superior options in those areas. It’s the remnants of the public schools in some of those Southern communities that are total hellholes.

FCPS had an opportunity to focus on academics and sound planning. It is instead pandering to the lowest common denominator now with “equity” babble and routinely insulting and ignoring those at high performing schools. Maybe they can dial it back but more likely they will just double down.

Exactly. We'll never know how good the public schools could have been in the South with integration. The areas with fewer private options have better public schools, btw.

I don't think so. It is more of a "areas with a more homogeneous student body have better public schools".

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Anonymous wrote:Are there worse optics in the world than the school board members with kids sending their kids to the better performing schools and ensuring that there is no risk of being redistricted for their own kids while arguing that other people’s kids should be forced to go to there poor performing schools?

It should be required that all the SB’s kids get moved too. Oh and the fcps staff’s kids too. At least the ones who are on BRAC.

How do you know where the SB's kids go to school? That's creepy.

DP. Just about every School Board candidate or member touts their neighborhood affiliation. Are you really this stupid?

I was just coming here to say the same thing. Talk about a swing and a miss.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there worse optics in the world than the school board members with kids sending their kids to the better performing schools and ensuring that there is no risk of being redistricted for their own kids while arguing that other people’s kids should be forced to go to there poor performing schools?

It should be required that all the SB’s kids get moved too. Oh and the fcps staff’s kids too. At least the ones who are on BRAC.

How do you know where the SB's kids go to school? That's creepy.

DP. Just about every School Board candidate or member touts their neighborhood affiliation. Are you really this stupid?

I mean maybe I am - but don't the non-At-Large members have to live in their districts?

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Anonymous wrote:Again - root cause in FCPS - poor ESL students, many of whom have little formal education in their native country (or if born here, their parents have little formal education). Nothing against them personally, but that is what has made certain schools perform as they do.

Perhaps we should not have imported so much poverty so quickly. Now the county has to deal with that.

And people in this county are absolutely behaving like the folks did in the south in the 60's and 70's. Actually, as someone pointed out, segregation was everywhere...

See this article: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/14/1111060299/school-segregation-report

Some folks on this board have even proposed creating separate districts out of FCPS - a tactic cited in the article for further segregation.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this discussion, schools are considered failing when they have a high number of poor kids. And the rich people here don't want to send their kids to poor schools because they don't want their rich kids to mix with poor kids. (Poor kids statistically scoring lower on standardized testing, so it really comes down to segregation of people based on wealth.)

I can understand those who want to keep their kids at a high school so they can finish out their academics at the same school. I cannot understand those who are complaining about going to school with poor kids.

I don't want my average kid rezoned to the adjacent school because when you look at the contrast between IB scores (more advanced kids at that school) and AP scores (average kids at that school) the very low AP scores indicate that the adjacent school is doing a terrible job educating the kids who are not advanced, the average kids like my kid. The average kids are being completely lost between the small group of self motivated high performers at that school, and the very large low performing popularion of ESOL students.

In contrast, our neighborhood school is doing an exceptional job meeting the needs of average kids.

I want my average kid at our neighborhood kid where they are not lost in the shuffle, and where the school has a proven track record of helping average kids excel.

We researched for a long time to find our neighbohood high school, spent a full year bidding on houses zoned for our neighborhood high school, and spent almost $100,000 more to get a house zoned for our neighborhood high school over the adjacent high school so our average kid had the best opportunity to succeed.

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Anonymous wrote:Again - root cause in FCPS - poor ESL students, many of whom have little formal education in their native country (or if born here, their parents have little formal education). Nothing against them personally, but that is what has made certain schools perform as they do.

Perhaps we should not have imported so much poverty so quickly. Now the county has to deal with that.

And people in this county are absolutely behaving like the folks did in the south in the 60's and 70's. Actually, as someone pointed out, segregation was everywhere...

See this article: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/14/1111060299/school-segregation-report

Some folks on this board have even proposed creating separate districts out of FCPS - a tactic cited in the article for further segregation.

This.

The problem is that the committee or the contractor or the SB will be picking "winners" and "losers." I am in Western Fairfax and have read about West Springfield. I am not very familiar with those neighborhoods, but i see what is happening. They ALL want to stay where they are--but, it appears, "some" will be selected to "improve" Lewis. And, you "equity warriors" expect those "selected" will do their duty without complaint.

Ironic to read that one of the most vocal FCPS defenders is on the committee and is working hard to keep her neighborhood in the "good' school.

Think about this: the champion of renaming Lewis and bringing in an "Academy of Activism" sent her own kids to Oakton. I think she also led the renaming of Justice.
Those names have not made an iota of difference. Maybe, "nice to have" but those millions could have actually helped students.

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Anonymous wrote:Again - root cause in FCPS - poor ESL students, many of whom have little formal education in their native country (or if born here, their parents have little formal education). Nothing against them personally, but that is what has made certain schools perform as they do.

Perhaps we should not have imported so much poverty so quickly. Now the county has to deal with that.

And people in this county are absolutely behaving like the folks did in the south in the 60's and 70's. Actually, as someone pointed out, segregation was everywhere...

See this article: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/14/1111060299/school-segregation-report

Some folks on this board have even proposed creating separate districts out of FCPS - a tactic cited in the article for further segregation.

This.

The problem is that the committee or the contractor or the SB will be picking "winners" and "losers." I am in Western Fairfax and have read about West Springfield. I am not very familiar with those neighborhoods, but i see what is happening. They ALL want to stay where they are--but, it appears, "some" will be selected to "improve" Lewis. And, you "equity warriors" expect those "selected" will do their duty without complaint.

Ironic to read that one of the most vocal FCPS defenders is on the committee and is working hard to keep her neighborhood in the "good' school.

Think about this: the champion of renaming Lewis and bringing in an "Academy of Activism" sent her own kids to Oakton. I think she also led the renaming of Justice.
Those names have not made an iota of difference. Maybe, "nice to have" but those millions could have actually helped students.

Right on PP.

Honestly the equity warriors and SB should lead the charge and have their kids attend these schools. Lead from the front.

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Have they said why grandfathering and starting this with a certain graduating class won't work? Is it transportation?

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Anonymous wrote:Have they said why grandfathering and starting this with a certain graduating class won't work? Is it transportation?

Transportation is a big part of it. They also seem to want to go big with the nuclear reset.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this discussion, schools are considered failing when they have a high number of poor kids. And the rich people here don't want to send their kids to poor schools because they don't want their rich kids to mix with poor kids. (Poor kids statistically scoring lower on standardized testing, so it really comes down to segregation of people based on wealth.)

I can understand those who want to keep their kids at a high school so they can finish out their academics at the same school. I cannot understand those who are complaining about going to school with poor kids.

Schools are considered failing when their test scores are drastically lower than other schools in the county and when their disciplinary incidents are drastically higher. Feel free to send your kids to one of those schools, because most families avoid them for good reason

Where is the data on this? I keep hearing it, but I haven't seen it. Where is the gang data by high school? Violence numbers, etc. FCPS school profiles are useless - the last data set is during the pandemic when no one was at school.

schoolquality.virginia.gov under the learning climate tab

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Anonymous wrote:Have they said why grandfathering and starting this with a certain graduating class won't work? Is it transportation?

The school board wants to rezone every 5 years to achieve One Fairfax in the schools. (Their words, not mine)

Grandfathering hinders this goal.

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Anonymous wrote:Again - root cause in FCPS - poor ESL students, many of whom have little formal education in their native country (or if born here, their parents have little formal education). Nothing against them personally, but that is what has made certain schools perform as they do.

Perhaps we should not have imported so much poverty so quickly. Now the county has to deal with that.

And people in this county are absolutely behaving like the folks did in the south in the 60's and 70's. Actually, as someone pointed out, segregation was everywhere...

See this article: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/14/1111060299/school-segregation-report

Some folks on this board have even proposed creating separate districts out of FCPS - a tactic cited in the article for further segregation.

This.

The problem is that the committee or the contractor or the SB will be picking "winners" and "losers." I am in Western Fairfax and have read about West Springfield. I am not very familiar with those neighborhoods, but i see what is happening. They ALL want to stay where they are--but, it appears, "some" will be selected to "improve" Lewis. And, you "equity warriors" expect those "selected" will do their duty without complaint.

Ironic to read that one of the most vocal FCPS defenders is on the committee and is working hard to keep her neighborhood in the "good' school.

Think about this: the champion of renaming Lewis and bringing in an "Academy of Activism" sent her own kids to Oakton. I think she also led the renaming of Justice.
Those names have not made an iota of difference. Maybe, "nice to have" but those millions could have actually helped students.

If you're talking about Karen Keys Gamarra, she lived in Oakton, sent her kids to Madison, and spent a lot of time renaming Stuart and Lee. And then got promoted to the state legislature for her efforts. Hall is cut from the same cloth. A lot of "social justice for thee, but not for me."

It's a fading county. There's hardly any point to complaining any longer. The smart money will be exiting both FCPS and Fairfax County in the coming years.

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Anonymous wrote:Again - root cause in FCPS - poor ESL students, many of whom have little formal education in their native country (or if born here, their parents have little formal education). Nothing against them personally, but that is what has made certain schools perform as they do.

Perhaps we should not have imported so much poverty so quickly. Now the county has to deal with that.

And people in this county are absolutely behaving like the folks did in the south in the 60's and 70's. Actually, as someone pointed out, segregation was everywhere...

See this article: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/14/1111060299/school-segregation-report

Some folks on this board have even proposed creating separate districts out of FCPS - a tactic cited in the article for further segregation.

This.

The problem is that the committee or the contractor or the SB will be picking "winners" and "losers." I am in Western Fairfax and have read about West Springfield. I am not very familiar with those neighborhoods, but i see what is happening. They ALL want to stay where they are--but, it appears, "some" will be selected to "improve" Lewis. And, you "equity warriors" expect those "selected" will do their duty without complaint.

Ironic to read that one of the most vocal FCPS defenders is on the committee and is working hard to keep her neighborhood in the "good' school.

Think about this: the champion of renaming Lewis and bringing in an "Academy of Activism" sent her own kids to Oakton. I think she also led the renaming of Justice.
Those names have not made an iota of difference. Maybe, "nice to have" but those millions could have actually helped students.

This is why there needs to be opposition on the board. It's a lot easier to be a hypocrite when you don't get called out for it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again - root cause in FCPS - poor ESL students, many of whom have little formal education in their native country (or if born here, their parents have little formal education). Nothing against them personally, but that is what has made certain schools perform as they do.

Perhaps we should not have imported so much poverty so quickly. Now the county has to deal with that.

And people in this county are absolutely behaving like the folks did in the south in the 60's and 70's. Actually, as someone pointed out, segregation was everywhere...

See this article: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/14/1111060299/school-segregation-report

Some folks on this board have even proposed creating separate districts out of FCPS - a tactic cited in the article for further segregation.

This.

The problem is that the committee or the contractor or the SB will be picking "winners" and "losers." I am in Western Fairfax and have read about West Springfield. I am not very familiar with those neighborhoods, but i see what is happening. They ALL want to stay where they are--but, it appears, "some" will be selected to "improve" Lewis. And, you "equity warriors" expect those "selected" will do their duty without complaint.

Ironic to read that one of the most vocal FCPS defenders is on the committee and is working hard to keep her neighborhood in the "good' school.

Think about this: the champion of renaming Lewis and bringing in an "Academy of Activism" sent her own kids to Oakton. I think she also led the renaming of Justice.
Those names have not made an iota of difference. Maybe, "nice to have" but those millions could have actually helped students.

If you're talking about Karen Keys Gamarra, she lived in Oakton, sent her kids to Madison, and spent a lot of time renaming Stuart and Lee. And then got promoted to the state legislature for her efforts. Hall is cut from the same cloth. A lot of "social justice for thee, but not for me."

It's a fading county. There's hardly any point to complaining any longer. The smart money will be exiting both FCPS and Fairfax County in the coming years.

Sigh, slowly realizing this is accurate. Exploring a move west in which we’d give Loudoun our resources, tax dollars, and parental involvement. Fairfax is going to San Francisco itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this discussion, schools are considered failing when they have a high number of poor kids. And the rich people here don't want to send their kids to poor schools because they don't want their rich kids to mix with poor kids. (Poor kids statistically scoring lower on standardized testing, so it really comes down to segregation of people based on wealth.)

I can understand those who want to keep their kids at a high school so they can finish out their academics at the same school. I cannot understand those who are complaining about going to school with poor kids.

Schools are considered failing when their test scores are drastically lower than other schools in the county and when their disciplinary incidents are drastically higher. Feel free to send your kids to one of those schools, because most families avoid them for good reason

Where is the data on this? I keep hearing it, but I haven't seen it. Where is the gang data by high school? Violence numbers, etc. FCPS school profiles are useless - the last data set is during the pandemic when no one was at school.

schoolquality.virginia.gov under the learning climate tab

No one should be forced to attend a school that is accredited with conditions.