Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

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Anonymous wrote:LMVSC seems to lose a lot of kids in what other people claim to be poaching on a regular basis.

I don't think it's "poaching"; i think LMVSC can only meet the needs up to a certain age group, and once they are teens and/or in high school, there seems to be an exodus. A great program with great staff though for younger kids!

They develop then and then the large CCL clubs take the credit when they get them in their teens. Ccl "loyal" patents start crying as this is when their poorly developed sons start getting cut for these outside players.

This happened with the new DA teams at our Club. All outside players.

Of course that is going to happen to a degree with DA as there are only a handful of those and they will attract the top kids from across the region. Did any kids from the home club make the DA?

26 players. 1 or 2 and it's a club with 6 teams per age group. Pretty shitty stats.

NP here. Those are disappointing stats. Could be a fluke since it's the first year--maybe that was an unusually weak age group for the club? If not, I'd definitely want the club leadership to talk about why they have not been able to develop DA level players in the large pool of kids who have been training at the club for years.

I wonder why US Soccer would grant DA status to a club with such a poor record of developing players when it seems like there are other local clubs doing a much better job.

Playing style? Politics? Laziness?

I heard one big club's intent from the beginning was always to keep its CCL teams intact and together. That way, they would dominate in CCL since other clubs were going to have weaker kids because their top kids were lost to DA. And its DA would not have a problem filling with outside kids since (like pp mentioned above), it would draw a lot of talented kids from the outside just because it's a DA and there are only a handful of them in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:LMVSC seems to lose a lot of kids in what other people claim to be poaching on a regular basis.

I don't think it's "poaching"; i think LMVSC can only meet the needs up to a certain age group, and once they are teens and/or in high school, there seems to be an exodus. A great program with great staff though for younger kids!

They develop then and then the large CCL clubs take the credit when they get them in their teens. Ccl "loyal" patents start crying as this is when their poorly developed sons start getting cut for these outside players.

This happened with the new DA teams at our Club. All outside players.

Of course that is going to happen to a degree with DA as there are only a handful of those and they will attract the top kids from across the region. Did any kids from the home club make the DA?

26 players. 1 or 2 and it's a club with 6 teams per age group. Pretty shitty stats.

NP here. Those are disappointing stats. Could be a fluke since it's the first year--maybe that was an unusually weak age group for the club? If not, I'd definitely want the club leadership to talk about why they have not been able to develop DA level players in the large pool of kids who have been training at the club for years.

I wonder why US Soccer would grant DA status to a club with such a poor record of developing players when it seems like there are other local clubs doing a much better job.

Playing style? Politics? Laziness?

I heard one big club's intent from the beginning was always to keep its CCL teams intact and together. That way, they would dominate in CCL since other clubs were going to have weaker kids because their top kids were lost to DA. And its DA would not have a problem filling with outside kids since (like pp mentioned above), it would draw a lot of talented kids from the outside just because it's a DA and there are only a handful of them in the area.

Not so sure about that since even the parents of kids on the A team said the level of the kids that came in from the outside for DA was far superior than anybody developed in-house. They weren't upset at the DA selections as they felt they were definitely deserved. It was more---wtf have we been doing for the last 4 years?? It made many question the development/training.

The same shit was happening pre-DA anyways. Kids were just demoted to make room. This time they didn't have to cut/demote anyone since it was a new team.

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Anonymous wrote:LMVSC seems to lose a lot of kids in what other people claim to be poaching on a regular basis.

I don't think it's "poaching"; i think LMVSC can only meet the needs up to a certain age group, and once they are teens and/or in high school, there seems to be an exodus. A great program with great staff though for younger kids!

They develop then and then the large CCL clubs take the credit when they get them in their teens. Ccl "loyal" patents start crying as this is when their poorly developed sons start getting cut for these outside players.

This happened with the new DA teams at our Club. All outside players.

Of course that is going to happen to a degree with DA as there are only a handful of those and they will attract the top kids from across the region. Did any kids from the home club make the DA?

26 players. 1 or 2 and it's a club with 6 teams per age group. Pretty shitty stats.

NP here. Those are disappointing stats. Could be a fluke since it's the first year--maybe that was an unusually weak age group for the club? If not, I'd definitely want the club leadership to talk about why they have not been able to develop DA level players in the large pool of kids who have been training at the club for years.

I wonder why US Soccer would grant DA status to a club with such a poor record of developing players when it seems like there are other local clubs doing a much better job.

Playing style? Politics? Laziness?

Duh. Big clubs have the resources, the fields, the connections and the $$$$. It's nothing new. There's always been a pattern of many of the best players coming from much smaller, personal settings and then jumping to the the big clubs at older ages.

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Anonymous wrote:LMVSC seems to lose a lot of kids in what other people claim to be poaching on a regular basis.

I don't think it's "poaching"; i think LMVSC can only meet the needs up to a certain age group, and once they are teens and/or in high school, there seems to be an exodus. A great program with great staff though for younger kids!

They develop then and then the large CCL clubs take the credit when they get them in their teens. Ccl "loyal" patents start crying as this is when their poorly developed sons start getting cut for these outside players.

This happened with the new DA teams at our Club. All outside players.

Of course that is going to happen to a degree with DA as there are only a handful of those and they will attract the top kids from across the region. Did any kids from the home club make the DA?

26 players. 1 or 2 and it's a club with 6 teams per age group. Pretty shitty stats.

Any idea what "outside" club is the most represented on this DA team?

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If this is Arlington than the "outside" club is likely Joga b/c since they folded, majority of kids went there.

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Maybe it's been covered in this thread at some point, but is there a reference anywhere to figure out which colors apply to which tier at each club? For a family that is relatively new to travel soccer, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how the clubs assign colors.

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Go the the club's travel section. They usually list the colors in order for each team.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's been covered in this thread at some point, but is there a reference anywhere to figure out which colors apply to which tier at each club? For a family that is relatively new to travel soccer, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how the clubs assign colors.

It's different at every club. Makes it really difficult at first.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's been covered in this thread at some point, but is there a reference anywhere to figure out which colors apply to which tier at each club? For a family that is relatively new to travel soccer, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how the clubs assign colors.

It is different at each club and they may never post the differences. In general. if based on color the top team is usually based on the dominant team uniform color. But this may not always be the case. And some teams may use "Elite" or "Premiere" as the designation and that may or may not be accurate in determining what is actually the A team.

It might take hunting down a teams bracket placement at tournaments and in leagues to get a clearer picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's been covered in this thread at some point, but is there a reference anywhere to figure out which colors apply to which tier at each club? For a family that is relatively new to travel soccer, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how the clubs assign colors.

It is different at each club and they may never post the differences. In general. if based on color the top team is usually based on the dominant team uniform color. But this may not always be the case. And some teams may use "Elite" or "Premiere" as the designation and that may or may not be accurate in determining what is actually the A team.

It might take hunting down a teams bracket placement at tournaments and in leagues to get a clearer picture.

Or you can just ask here, and someone can probably tell you.

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You can also look at the GotSoccer rankings for U12 and up and see how the teams stack up within a club.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's been covered in this thread at some point, but is there a reference anywhere to figure out which colors apply to which tier at each club? For a family that is relatively new to travel soccer, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how the clubs assign colors.

It is different at each club and they may never post the differences. In general. if based on color the top team is usually based on the dominant team uniform color. But this may not always be the case. And some teams may use "Elite" or "Premiere" as the designation and that may or may not be accurate in determining what is actually the A team.

It might take hunting down a teams bracket placement at tournaments and in leagues to get a clearer picture.

Or you can just ask here, and someone can probably tell you.

I get it if you don't want to out yourself in regards to the club though but it couldn't hurt to ask.

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Anonymous wrote:You can also look at the GotSoccer rankings for U12 and up and see how the teams stack up within a club.

Not necessarily. If a lower team plays in a lower bracket and wins more, they may rack up more GotSoccer points than one that loses to stiffer competition.

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I get it if you don't want to out yourself in regards to the club though but it couldn't hurt to ask.

"Out" through an anonymous post? There could be any of dozens of parents asking about any one of the local clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's been covered in this thread at some point, but is there a reference anywhere to figure out which colors apply to which tier at each club? For a family that is relatively new to travel soccer, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how the clubs assign colors.

It is different at each club and they may never post the differences. In general. if based on color the top team is usually based on the dominant team uniform color. But this may not always be the case. And some teams may use "Elite" or "Premiere" as the designation and that may or may not be accurate in determining what is actually the A team.

It might take hunting down a teams bracket placement at tournaments and in leagues to get a clearer picture.

Or you can just ask here, and someone can probably tell you.

The color ranking and got soccer ranking is irrelevant. What league does the team play in? A-teams generally speaking play: ECNL, CCL, NPL (PDP, ODP, iD2, EDP are also associated with this level). Some A-teams and some B-teams play NCSL/WAGS; some B-teams play CCL II; C-teams and below will play lower division NCSL/WAGS and ODSL. This will help you correlate a color-ranking to the team's level.