Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been on this thread in a while but I would like someone to address the gun holster being right in front of where a penis would be if the person on the security footage were a man. I think that is bizarre. No man would have a gun that close to his d***, not to mention being able to walk and bend down with a gun right there. This is a woman.

Men, please chime in on this one particular aspect of the security footage.

The gun has a safety mechanism. It isn’t going to go off if he bends to tie his shoe or something. Yes, there are men that hide guns in the waistband (sometimes the rear area and they reach the weapon or the penis area). The whole point of concealed carry so you can carry it out and surprise the assailant. A holster on the side showcasing a gun is open carry

Yes, a gun stuck in the waistband from behind makes sense. On the side makes sense. DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HIS PENIS? No. Also, like I said, this person leans down a couple of times with a gun right in front of his so-called dick. How would that even work?

It's called a belly band holster. They are popular for under shirt applications. Lift shirt, draw with other hand. By necessity, the gun needs to be toward the front.

Even if you shoot yourself "safely" in the upper thigh instead of your penis, you will bleed out from the femoral artery.

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Maybe it's a regional thing. I am Gen x and grew up in the East Coast and where I lived this was definitely NOT a thing. The only time "kidnapping" came up was when we were told not to accept candy from men in white vans. It definitely was not part of our pretend play as young kids, and not a part of teen fun. This definitely adds perspective, because I found it quite strange before you mentioned how common it is.

Gen X grew up in Chicago and this was a thing for teams. New members would be "kidnapped" out of bed and dressed up in silly outfits to wear to school. It's just a prank and the parents are in on it like surprising someone for their birthday with a party.

Elder millennial from Miami. My high school dance team did this for new members after tryouts.

Guys we do not care. This has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie at all.

Redirect that to the many people in this thread went down a weird rabbit hole about how Savannah shared that they did this as a childhood game, and how somehow that was 1) weird and 2) connected to this case. It's absolutely not a weird or unusual childhood/teen game, and it's very obviously unrelated to the crime.

Are you kidding me? That is not a normal thing to do, to call your parents and pretend you've been kidnapped. it's a weird as shit family tradition. "somehow weird"? "Connected to this case" that is a kidnapping case? Are you kidding me?

It’s so weird that you’re fixated on this. Like half a dozen people have said this was normal in the 80s and was just the term used for like a reverse surprise party — instead of surprising the person at the party venue, you surprise them at home and take them someplace. I was never in a sorority but I think I heard lots of sororities did this as part of rush.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been on this thread in a while but I would like someone to address the gun holster being right in front of where a penis would be if the person on the security footage were a man. I think that is bizarre. No man would have a gun that close to his d***, not to mention being able to walk and bend down with a gun right there. This is a woman.

Men, please chime in on this one particular aspect of the security footage.

The gun has a safety mechanism. It isn’t going to go off if he bends to tie his shoe or something. Yes, there are men that hide guns in the waistband (sometimes the rear area and they reach the weapon or the penis area). The whole point of concealed carry so you can carry it out and surprise the assailant. A holster on the side showcasing a gun is open carry

Yes, a gun stuck in the waistband from behind makes sense. On the side makes sense. DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HIS PENIS? No. Also, like I said, this person leans down a couple of times with a gun right in front of his so-called dick. How would that even work?

I think a lot of teen gang members carry it there. If you have it in your back waistband it’s easy for someone to grab it and it’s visible when you bed over, defeating the purpose of concealed carry. I have a friend that taught in a tough HS and they did not allow untucked shirts because of th risk of a gun tucked into the front waistband. Having it on your butt is an invitation for someone to grab it from behind and shoot you. I don’t have a penis but I suspect that the gun Harrell is not all that long and that these guys put their penis down tj side leg of their pants so if they are bending over, the gun isn’t banging their penis. This does not seem like rocket science. I’ve also seen it carried that way in some of the video of police shootings — the perp pulls the gun out from tj front waistband near their belly button. I just think this is a really common way for a criminal to carry his gun.
The law-abiding people I know who are into concealed carry carry a holster on their calf or under a jacket. But obviously that’s not as quick a draw if you goal is to rob someone or do a drive by or something like that.

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Maybe it's a regional thing. I am Gen x and grew up in the East Coast and where I lived this was definitely NOT a thing. The only time "kidnapping" came up was when we were told not to accept candy from men in white vans. It definitely was not part of our pretend play as young kids, and not a part of teen fun. This definitely adds perspective, because I found it quite strange before you mentioned how common it is.

Gen X grew up in Chicago and this was a thing for teams. New members would be "kidnapped" out of bed and dressed up in silly outfits to wear to school. It's just a prank and the parents are in on it like surprising someone for their birthday with a party.

Elder millennial from Miami. My high school dance team did this for new members after tryouts.

Guys we do not care. This has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie at all.

Redirect that to the many people in this thread went down a weird rabbit hole about how Savannah shared that they did this as a childhood game, and how somehow that was 1) weird and 2) connected to this case. It's absolutely not a weird or unusual childhood/teen game, and it's very obviously unrelated to the crime.

Are you kidding me? That is not a normal thing to do, to call your parents and pretend you've been kidnapped. it's a weird as shit family tradition. "somehow weird"? "Connected to this case" that is a kidnapping case? Are you kidding me?

It’s so weird that you’re fixated on this. Like half a dozen people have said this was normal in the 80s and was just the term used for like a reverse surprise party — instead of surprising the person at the party venue, you surprise them at home and take them someplace. I was never in a sorority but I think I heard lots of sororities did this as part of rush.

Yep—I got fake kidnapped by my future “sisters” in 1988.

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I thought for sure she would have been found by now.

The case is getting colder as time progresses.

There is no possible way an elderly woman of 84 could be alive after being taken hostage for going on an entire month soon.

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Maybe it's a regional thing. I am Gen x and grew up in the East Coast and where I lived this was definitely NOT a thing. The only time "kidnapping" came up was when we were told not to accept candy from men in white vans. It definitely was not part of our pretend play as young kids, and not a part of teen fun. This definitely adds perspective, because I found it quite strange before you mentioned how common it is.

Gen X grew up in Chicago and this was a thing for teams. New members would be "kidnapped" out of bed and dressed up in silly outfits to wear to school. It's just a prank and the parents are in on it like surprising someone for their birthday with a party.

Elder millennial from Miami. My high school dance team did this for new members after tryouts.

Guys we do not care. This has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie at all.

Oh did you think you were actively solving the crime and were momentarily distracted?

No, the woman is clearly dead and may never be returned but you all competing to share stories trying to prove you were popular and how only losers weren’t kidnapped to go to Denny’s on their birthday or after dance tryouts is excessively idiotic in the context of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Maybe it's a regional thing. I am Gen x and grew up in the East Coast and where I lived this was definitely NOT a thing. The only time "kidnapping" came up was when we were told not to accept candy from men in white vans. It definitely was not part of our pretend play as young kids, and not a part of teen fun. This definitely adds perspective, because I found it quite strange before you mentioned how common it is.

Gen X grew up in Chicago and this was a thing for teams. New members would be "kidnapped" out of bed and dressed up in silly outfits to wear to school. It's just a prank and the parents are in on it like surprising someone for their birthday with a party.

Elder millennial from Miami. My high school dance team did this for new members after tryouts.

Guys we do not care. This has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie at all.

Oh did you think you were actively solving the crime and were momentarily distracted?

No, the woman is clearly dead and may never be returned but you all competing to share stories trying to prove you were popular and how only losers weren’t kidnapped to go to Denny’s on their birthday or after dance tryouts is excessively idiotic in the context of this thread.

Nice try. I guess the “I have never heard of this whatsoever” failed miserably. Must be news to you that your experience isn’t the only one that matters. Better luck solving this crime on your next wild guess.

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Anonymous wrote:They probably weren't aware of her health problems and hadn't intended to kill her. She may have died after falling and hitting her head during a struggle (blood) or from DKA. But she's not alive. No genuine ransom notes because there is no living hostage. And they don't want to risk getting caught at this point, since it's now a murder charge. Poor woman, and her poor family.

The stupidity of not realizing that an 84 year old would be medically fragile. What an unnecessary death.

Yes. Beyond sad.

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Maybe it's a regional thing. I am Gen x and grew up in the East Coast and where I lived this was definitely NOT a thing. The only time "kidnapping" came up was when we were told not to accept candy from men in white vans. It definitely was not part of our pretend play as young kids, and not a part of teen fun. This definitely adds perspective, because I found it quite strange before you mentioned how common it is.

Gen X grew up in Chicago and this was a thing for teams. New members would be "kidnapped" out of bed and dressed up in silly outfits to wear to school. It's just a prank and the parents are in on it like surprising someone for their birthday with a party.

Elder millennial from Miami. My high school dance team did this for new members after tryouts.

Guys we do not care. This has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie at all.

Oh did you think you were actively solving the crime and were momentarily distracted?

No, the woman is clearly dead and may never be returned but you all competing to share stories trying to prove you were popular and how only losers weren’t kidnapped to go to Denny’s on their birthday or after dance tryouts is excessively idiotic in the context of this thread.

Thank you. JFC people. You being faked kidnapped 20-30 years ago as a prank has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie. It's probably time for the gun/penis positioning people to take a break as well.

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Maybe it's a regional thing. I am Gen x and grew up in the East Coast and where I lived this was definitely NOT a thing. The only time "kidnapping" came up was when we were told not to accept candy from men in white vans. It definitely was not part of our pretend play as young kids, and not a part of teen fun. This definitely adds perspective, because I found it quite strange before you mentioned how common it is.

Gen X grew up in Chicago and this was a thing for teams. New members would be "kidnapped" out of bed and dressed up in silly outfits to wear to school. It's just a prank and the parents are in on it like surprising someone for their birthday with a party.

Elder millennial from Miami. My high school dance team did this for new members after tryouts.

Guys we do not care. This has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie at all.

Oh did you think you were actively solving the crime and were momentarily distracted?

No, the woman is clearly dead and may never be returned but you all competing to share stories trying to prove you were popular and how only losers weren’t kidnapped to go to Denny’s on their birthday or after dance tryouts is excessively idiotic in the context of this thread.

Thank you. JFC people. You being faked kidnapped 20-30 years ago as a prank has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie. It's probably time for the gun/penis positioning people to take a break as well.

Neither does Savannah being fake kidnapped by her cousins have anything to do with it but people kept insisting this was a bizarre ritual and therefore must be related to Nancy's disappearance.

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I just popped back in after a few weeks away and I see this thread is as absurd, bizarre and off-topic as when I left.

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Op here. Google has it listed as a non-true myth.

I’ve yet to see this actually be a real news story hence why I’m asking.

Is there any fact behind this at all, that anyone has ever found?

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Anonymous wrote:I just popped back in after a few weeks away and I see this thread is as absurd, bizarre and off-topic as when I left.

Yep. I pop in every now and then to see the same self-designated sofa sleuths coming up with ever more idiotic theories. I can't believe this thread is still going.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. Google has it listed as a non-true myth.

I’ve yet to see this actually be a real news story hence why I’m asking.

Is there any fact behind this at all, that anyone has ever found?

The OP of this whole thread? What untrue myth are you referring to?

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So I just heard online that unfortunately, the DNA that was recovered from Nancy’s home did not yield anyone suspicious…..only individuals that were supposed to be in her home.
A lot was riding on this DNA, many had high hopes that the DNA would possibly yield new clues for the case.

Whoever abducted Nancy must have meticulously premeditated her kidnapping because they did not leave anything behind it appears.

It seems like Nancy was simply abducted by space 👽s.
I mean really…….she literally vanished overnight w/only a trace of blood.

I cannot understand how in this day ➕ age, someone can be kidnapped during the night and a month later, no one has been arrested.

I wonder if this failure stems from the Sheriff/FBI conflict?
If this investigation turns up cold because authorities cannot get along then that would be a crying shame.

Our world it seems is just divided in more ways than politically I feel. ;(