US has no good options in Ukraine

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https://fair.org/home/what-you-should-really-know-about-ukraine/

Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?

There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?

A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?

Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.

Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian.

But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?

Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.

Russians would finance pro-Ukranian nazi groups to make Ulraine look bad and justify their invasion.

Well Ukraine, just like the Baltics, DID have a history of strong collaboration with the Nazis during the war. I don’t blame them tho. You’d collaborate too if the choice was between death or collaboration. The Baltics is a diff story bc their collaboration with the nazis was a tad too enthusiastic. Native antisemitism as a factor.

There was plenty of anti-semitism in Russia too.

Name another country in Europe besides the Baltics that puts up parades for the SS veterans.

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Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.

Russia has them too.

Armed battalions with names and all?

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Just wonderful.

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Anonymous wrote:So no worries that a drone flew to Croatia without being detected or taken down? But, crashed into an urban zone?

The article I read said it is unclear if it came from Russia or Ukraine. Either way, leaders in Croatia are very concerned that it wasn’t spotted prior to crashing. Thank goodness no one was hurt.

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Anonymous wrote:So no worries that a drone flew to Croatia without being detected or taken down? But, crashed into an urban zone?

The article I read said it is unclear if it came from Russia or Ukraine. Either way, leaders in Croatia are very concerned that it wasn’t spotted prior to crashing. Thank goodness no one was hurt.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/croatia-criticizes-nato-crash-russian-made-drone-83405534

This article says it was fired from Ukraine.

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Anonymous wrote:So no worries that a drone flew to Croatia without being detected or taken down? But, crashed into an urban zone?

The article I read said it is unclear if it came from Russia or Ukraine. Either way, leaders in Croatia are very concerned that it wasn’t spotted prior to crashing. Thank goodness no one was hurt.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/croatia-criticizes-nato-crash-russian-made-drone-83405534

This article says it was fired from Ukraine.

Surely a false flag sent by Russian troops?

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Anonymous wrote:Just wonderful.

And now it begins....

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I had a peaceful Saturday with my dog. I don't want war.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a peaceful Saturday with my dog. I don't want war.

Well Biden does so buckle up

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Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.

Russia has them too.

The Azov Battalion is actually part of the Ukrainian National Guard. Yes, Russia has neo-Nazis, but I’m not aware of them occupying entire units in the Russian National Guard.

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Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.

Russia has them too.

Armed battalions with names and all?

Putin has private Nazi-run death squads. Look up Wagner PMC. It's led by Putin's friend Dmitri Utkin, a former Spetznaz officer and known neo-Nazi. Check out Utkin's tattoos - Nazi Reichsadler and SS insignia. He named his company "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner is Russia's dirty work and private "plausible deniability" military operating in Syria, Central African Republic, Mali and many other hot spots. Wagner currently has hundreds of assassins in Ukraine trying to assassinate the Jewish president of Ukraine, who is the grandson of Holocaust survivors and who was popularly elected by the supposedly Nazi Ukrainians with solid 73% majority.

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Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.

Russia has them too.

Armed battalions with names and all?

Putin has private Nazi-run death squads. Look up Wagner PMC. It's led by Putin's friend Dmitri Utkin, a former Spetznaz officer and known neo-Nazi. Check out Utkin's tattoos - Nazi Reichsadler and SS insignia. He named his company "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner is Russia's dirty work and private "plausible deniability" military operating in Syria, Central African Republic, Mali and many other hot spots. Wagner currently has hundreds of assassins in Ukraine trying to assassinate the Jewish president of Ukraine, who is the grandson of Holocaust survivors and who was popularly elected by the supposedly Nazi Ukrainians with solid 73% majority.

Wagner is really run by Prigozhin.

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Let's not play the Who Has More Nazis game, OK?

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Anonymous wrote:The Azov Battalion is real. Doesn’t mean Putin isn’t a crazy dictator, but it isn’t true that Ukraine has no neo Nazis.

Russia has them too.

Armed battalions with names and all?

Yes. This was widely reported a few years back.

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Let's not play the Who Has More Nazis game, OK?

What game would you rather we play?

Facts are facts both Russia and Ukraine have a government and military heavily infested with white supremacists and neo Nazi. It's a a problem that's been on the rise across Europe and has been widely reported.
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