ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:Poll results concerning ICE are coming in...

The fact that it’s only 51% at this point shows how far the country has fallen.

However, I am confident that ICE will continue to show their asses in ways that further erodes their support.

At this point Democrats want another Kent State.

Democrats are not the ones shooting moms in the street for no reason.

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that comment, too.

It's sad that they're being encouraged to be in the street.

I know, if the murderer had stayed in his car he’d still have some semblance of a life.

The topic was moms in the street. Feel free to keep enciuraging them to do so.

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They aren’t protesting. Protestors don’t obstruct or assault law enforcement.

I think you may not be American, or if you are, you do not love our country. You haven't learned our history and you don't share our reverence for the Constitution.

You may pledge allegience to the flag, but you are ignorant as to what it represents.

You haven’t learned to respect a lawful order and neither did she.

You sound like a strong man!

A person with common sense to listen to a lawful order.

And a well-trained officer who isn't a sociopath doesn't shoot the someone who disobeys in the face.

Jesus, the Pope, and history are on our side here.

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Whether she was a mom is irrelevant. It doesn’t make her better or worse than anyone else or more or less capable of bad things or good things. Stop equating moms with kittens. Moms are just people.

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They aren’t protesting. Protestors don’t obstruct or assault law enforcement.

I think you may not be American, or if you are, you do not love our country. You haven't learned our history and you don't share our reverence for the Constitution.

You may pledge allegience to the flag, but you are ignorant as to what it represents.

You haven’t learned to respect a lawful order and neither did she.

You sound like a strong man!

A person with common sense to listen to a lawful order.

And a well-trained officer who isn't a sociopath doesn't shoot the someone who disobeys in the face.

Jesus, the Pope, and history are on our side here.

Me thinks not…

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That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

Can we have a national referendum on what exactly ICE is allowed to do? Because I think there is great misunderstanding and disagreement.

A lot of people do NOT agree with the above, PP.

Here's one such person:

Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:

"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please give it a read.

"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.

"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in 'drive' that is actively trying to leave and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week of any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in 'drive.' That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.

"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.

The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. NONE. A single day of actual training of the legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.

"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents (with another person in her vehicle) who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.

"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY- based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired- trying to drive to the left of that agent is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.
None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and the knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.

"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant of the scope of their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."

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Is anyone in Minnesota going to protest the $8 billion that was stolen from them? Or, we good on that?

Even if that were real I’m sure that America would gladly trade it to rid ourselves of this third rate dictator nonsense. That’s probably what Trump has robbed from us personally.

Try closer to $2 trillion for the Trump family, which excludes Jared and Ivanka.

Nice tracker in link

https://www.americanprogress.org/feature/trumps-take/

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Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

Understand, ICE no legal standing for traffic enforcement. The team in question was not on a mission, but rather were heading to their HQ for a break. There was no reason or justification for them to stop their vehicles, much less approach any cars, particularly those of native born US citizens. So you can stop with the false narrative that you are trying to spin. The American public understands what happened here, and it is only the MAGA zealots who are trying to contort what they can see with their own eyes through several angles of the same event.

And oh, the irony that MAGA wants to send troops in to help the Iranian public shut down their religious based evil dictatorship government without looking in the mirror.

That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

ICE is not law enforcement. They have no jurisdiction over US citizens who are not suspected of committing crimes directly related to immigration.

Again, get this through your thick skull.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened after the shooting of Renee Good. An ICE agent took offense at a woman filming him and threatened her indirectly: "Have you all not learned from the past couple of days?" He then knocked her phone out of her hand.

This ICE agent seems to think the consequence for “following federal agents” is violence.

This sort of government impunity is unacceptable.

I would be pretty pissed if I was constantly being harassed, followed and filmed. So would you

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Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

Understand, ICE no legal standing for traffic enforcement. The team in question was not on a mission, but rather were heading to their HQ for a break. There was no reason or justification for them to stop their vehicles, much less approach any cars, particularly those of native born US citizens. So you can stop with the false narrative that you are trying to spin. The American public understands what happened here, and it is only the MAGA zealots who are trying to contort what they can see with their own eyes through several angles of the same event.

And oh, the irony that MAGA wants to send troops in to help the Iranian public shut down their religious based evil dictatorship government without looking in the mirror.

That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

No way to tell these were official vehicles. Flashing lights? Hello Amazon.

Marked vehicles? Not the case here.

Clearly identified federal officers in uniform? Nope. Masked up and refuse to show ID. How is anyone to know that unmarked vehicles with Amazon lights manned by masked men who won't provide identification are uniformed federal officers on official business? It is equally likely that they are ISIS terrorists. Or disguised progressives.

+a million

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need to think about your critical reasoning and logic skills.

Even if we accept (and this is a flawed premise), that Nicole Good was a terrible person, that she was a paid trouble maker, that she deliberately provoked, that was breaking all sorts of laws... what is the logical consequence???

Not three bullets in the face.

Not logical, but it happened. Now her little boy has no parents.

Wow, really???

Do you think a stepparent isn’t a real stepparent when they are in a same sex marriage?

Disgusting. That boy has a stepmother still, one who adored his biological mother and will never let him forget her, her values and her love for him.

Unless there is paperwork, she has no legal custody

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Anonymous wrote:And this is all there is to it

No one has a constitutional right to drive a car into someone. A car is deadly force. It isn’t mean words or throwing snowballs or being salty to officers.

She was turning right. His gun was likely already in his hand when she engaged the gas pedal in DRIVE.

He’s allowed to draw his weapon if someone is being belligerent

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Anonymous wrote:This happened after the shooting of Renee Good. An ICE agent took offense at a woman filming him and threatened her indirectly: "Have you all not learned from the past couple of days?" He then knocked her phone out of her hand.

This ICE agent seems to think the consequence for “following federal agents” is violence.

This sort of government impunity is unacceptable.

I would be pretty pissed if I was constantly being harassed, followed and filmed. So would you

So they can quit. They don’t get to murder.

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Anonymous wrote:And this is all there is to it

No one has a constitutional right to drive a car into someone. A car is deadly force. It isn’t mean words or throwing snowballs or being salty to officers.

No one has a constitutional right to fire two kill shots into the driver side window. He'll have to try to make that case, though.

There were three shots and one was into the front windshield. Unless he’s Gumby, I would say he was in front of the car

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Deep diving into the husband who "died suddenly" at age 36 and was a USAF veteran.
He is from a family with nine siblings, has two other kids but not with Nicole. Neither Nicole nor the mother or mothers of the other two child are mentioned in the obituary. Seven other parents and grandparents are mentioned in the obituary so seems there are plenty of people to take care of the six year old. Assume she share custody with her first husband and that he can care for the two older children.

Does the wife have children who were living with them?