ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.

Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .

NP and I won't call you a collaborator. I totally understand and have been thinking a lot about the privilege I have attending protests because a) I am white b) I have the means to call a lawyer immediately c) I am I over 50 and my kids don't need me the way they used to. I think about these privileges every time I attend a protest with the awareness that 10-15 years ago, I would not have dared to make the same choices.

But that said, it would have been a choice to prioritize one responsibility over another. I would not have changed my understanding of injustice. And I would have been grateful of those who took on the risks.

I think PPs are reacting negatively because sounds like you are implicitly criticizing the person who makes a different decision instead of criticizing the person who murdered her.

Thank you for taking the time to post this comment. Although not in every post, I have actually said several times that she didn't deserve to die and that he was wrong. I still believe we all make choices and that results/consequences may not be fair, rational, or what we wanted. Life can be very hard. My children are my priority.

If you are saying you would fear to protest injustice, because you don't want to lose your life and orphan your children, that says a lot about how far this country has fallen. The Trump administration has made us as bad as all the other horrible autocracies we watch in horror as they kill their own people.

You don't have young kids?

Read the post again. A person with or without kids in American should not fear for their LIFE going to a protest. Might they get arrested, depending on the situation, sure. But shot in the head three times?

Stop defending murder. Stop defending this as business as usual in America. In America, peaceful protest should not end up with you being shot. There is zero evidence in those multiple videos that the shooting was justified. It was a trigger-happy, angry ICE agent who created a situation so he could shoot someone. He belongs in jail.

Protests are and have often been deadly. Are you even properly educated at all? As long as human beings involved, things are gonna go left sometimes.

Peaceful protest should not end in deaths unless law enforcement is acting inappropriately. I am properly educated. I'm talking about how things should be. Can you even read? Stop defending murder.

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Latest According to CNN’s analysis of multiple video angles:

Contact Evidence: A video obtained and reviewed by CNN appeared to show the vehicle making contact with the officer before he fired his weapon for the first time.

Forensic Analysis: Video forensic expert Frank Piazza, speaking to CNN’s Anderson Cooper, stated that audio from the encounter indicates the officer fired shots after the vehicle made physical contact with him.

Shooting Sequence: Multiple videos reviewed by CNN show the officer moving away from the front of the vehicle as the first shots were fired into the windshield. The officer then fired additional shots at close range through the open driver’s side window

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Anonymous wrote:Poll results concerning ICE are coming in...

The fact that it’s only 51% at this point shows how far the country has fallen.

However, I am confident that ICE will continue to show their asses in ways that further erodes their support.

At this point Democrats want another Kent State.

Democrats are not the ones shooting moms in the street for no reason.

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that comment, too.

It's sad that they're being encouraged to be in the street.

I know, if the murderer had stayed in his car he’d still have some semblance of a life.

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They aren’t protesting. Protestors don’t obstruct or assault law enforcement.

I think you may not be American, or if you are, you do not love our country. You haven't learned our history and you don't share our reverence for the Constitution.

You may pledge allegience to the flag, but you are ignorant as to what it represents.

You haven’t learned to respect a lawful order and neither did she.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can’t believe her plan was to drive away and leave her poor wife behind.

Men with guns were screaming at her to “move”. She probably thought she’d get shot if she didn’t follow their commands. But then they shot her anyway

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Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

Understand, ICE no legal standing for traffic enforcement. The team in question was not on a mission, but rather were heading to their HQ for a break. There was no reason or justification for them to stop their vehicles, much less approach any cars, particularly those of native born US citizens. So you can stop with the false narrative that you are trying to spin. The American public understands what happened here, and it is only the MAGA zealots who are trying to contort what they can see with their own eyes through several angles of the same event.

And oh, the irony that MAGA wants to send troops in to help the Iranian public shut down their religious based evil dictatorship government without looking in the mirror.

That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

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Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

I agree that there is a range between protesting, which is protected by the Constitution, and Civil Disobedience, which is at worst punished by small fines or very short jail sentences. Many of our nation's most effective protests (like the Greensboro sit-ins during the Civil Rights Movement) involved intentionally breaking laws to draw attention to injustice.

In any case, if people break a law, fine them or let them spend a night in jail. Shooting someone in the face is still murder.

You'll be on the wrong side of history, friend.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can’t believe her plan was to drive away and leave her poor wife behind.

Men with guns were screaming at her to “move”. She probably thought she’d get shot if she didn’t follow their commands. But then they shot her anyway

This is false as well. The first person video shows the only commands given by the federal agents were for her to get out of the car. Goods wife told her to drive baby drive which ran into the officer.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can’t believe her plan was to drive away and leave her poor wife behind.

Men with guns were screaming at her to “move”. She probably thought she’d get shot if she didn’t follow their commands. But then they shot her anyway

This is false as well. The first person video shows the only commands given by the federal agents were for her to get out of the car. Goods wife told her to drive baby drive which ran into the officer.

She didn't run into the officer. Videos prove it. Stop lying to justify murder.

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Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

Understand, ICE no legal standing for traffic enforcement. The team in question was not on a mission, but rather were heading to their HQ for a break. There was no reason or justification for them to stop their vehicles, much less approach any cars, particularly those of native born US citizens. So you can stop with the false narrative that you are trying to spin. The American public understands what happened here, and it is only the MAGA zealots who are trying to contort what they can see with their own eyes through several angles of the same event.

And oh, the irony that MAGA wants to send troops in to help the Iranian public shut down their religious based evil dictatorship government without looking in the mirror.

That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

That's not true. If you are MAGA and beating the crap out of a cop and terrorizing congress while they are trying to perform an official action you are ALL good!

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Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

Understand, ICE no legal standing for traffic enforcement. The team in question was not on a mission, but rather were heading to their HQ for a break. There was no reason or justification for them to stop their vehicles, much less approach any cars, particularly those of native born US citizens. So you can stop with the false narrative that you are trying to spin. The American public understands what happened here, and it is only the MAGA zealots who are trying to contort what they can see with their own eyes through several angles of the same event.

And oh, the irony that MAGA wants to send troops in to help the Iranian public shut down their religious based evil dictatorship government without looking in the mirror.

That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

Marked federal vehicles.

Thanks.

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They aren’t protesting. Protestors don’t obstruct or assault law enforcement.

I think you may not be American, or if you are, you do not love our country. You haven't learned our history and you don't share our reverence for the Constitution.

You may pledge allegience to the flag, but you are ignorant as to what it represents.

You haven’t learned to respect a lawful order and neither did she.

You sound like a strong man!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

Understand, ICE no legal standing for traffic enforcement. The team in question was not on a mission, but rather were heading to their HQ for a break. There was no reason or justification for them to stop their vehicles, much less approach any cars, particularly those of native born US citizens. So you can stop with the false narrative that you are trying to spin. The American public understands what happened here, and it is only the MAGA zealots who are trying to contort what they can see with their own eyes through several angles of the same event.

And oh, the irony that MAGA wants to send troops in to help the Iranian public shut down their religious based evil dictatorship government without looking in the mirror.

That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

clearly identified federal officers in uniform

Ohhhhh

[Anonymous]

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They aren’t protesting. Protestors don’t obstruct or assault law enforcement.

I think you may not be American, or if you are, you do not love our country. You haven't learned our history and you don't share our reverence for the Constitution.

You may pledge allegience to the flag, but you are ignorant as to what it represents.

You haven’t learned to respect a lawful order and neither did she.

You sound like a strong man!

A person with common sense to listen to a lawful order.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The group organizing people like Good and her wife to commit “direct action,” need to be federally investigated and charged with criminal conspiracy.

Bwcause protesting is now a crime in this country? GTFO

It is disingenuous to pretend there is no difference between verbal and written expressions of dissent and physical actions meant to provoke, intimidate, disrupt, and otherwise interfere with entirely legal government activities with which you happen to disagree. Claiming those actions are "illegal" does not make them so; only the courts decide that. Disagreement does not imply an unfettered right to physically oppose.

Understand, ICE no legal standing for traffic enforcement. The team in question was not on a mission, but rather were heading to their HQ for a break. There was no reason or justification for them to stop their vehicles, much less approach any cars, particularly those of native born US citizens. So you can stop with the false narrative that you are trying to spin. The American public understands what happened here, and it is only the MAGA zealots who are trying to contort what they can see with their own eyes through several angles of the same event.

And oh, the irony that MAGA wants to send troops in to help the Iranian public shut down their religious based evil dictatorship government without looking in the mirror.

That claim is flatly wrong as a matter of law. Immigration and Customs Enforcement does not need traffic enforcement authority or an active arrest “mission” to be protected while performing official duties. Federal statutes including 18 USC 111 and 18 USC 1501 make it a crime to obstruct, impede, or interfere with federal officers. Courts have consistently held that officers are covered while driving official vehicles, repositioning, staging, or returning to headquarters. Whether they were “heading back to HQ” is legally irrelevant. Blocking or confronting marked federal vehicles is still interference even if no traffic stop was underway.

Citizenship also has nothing to do with this. ICE does not need immigration jurisdiction over someone to arrest them for obstruction. If people intentionally blocked or impeded clearly identified federal officers in uniform, that alone provides lawful grounds for arrest. What people think they “saw with their own eyes” or how they frame it politically does not override federal law that applies to everyone, regardless of party or ideology.

No way to tell these were official vehicles. Flashing lights? Hello Amazon.

Marked vehicles? Not the case here.

Clearly identified federal officers in uniform? Nope. Masked up and refuse to show ID. How is anyone to know that unmarked vehicles with Amazon lights manned by masked men who won't provide identification are uniformed federal officers on official business? It is equally likely that they are ISIS terrorists. Or disguised progressives.