Consolidated VA Elections Thread

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Anonymous wrote:NEWSFLASH: smug condescending arrogance after closing schools for a year is not a winning message.

I thought you were trying to convince us you were smart and rational.

I think the Rs figured out what the majority of people wanted here & that’s not dumb. I would like the Ds to do it more often. But politics is a pendulum and you can’t always win, either.

What people wanted? Or maybe what they thought they wanted after manipulation and social pressure.

I bet this will be a case study in the future.

Dems are terrible at campaigning.

IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

Exactly! As far as the Covid response at least, Northam was more pragmatic than NoVA. So much hubris in the Dem party. We’ll see similar in the GOP here. I swear the Dems have become the party of ignoring people. I thought TMac would win by a thin margin. Ds keep thinking they have a mandate from the people to do x, y, z on their list of campaign promises when they get elected but that hasn’t really been the case, The people want something more balanced than what either party is offering. If the Ds would listen to something other than what’s inside their own heads, they’d realize this.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so happy this morning, for the people of Virginia and all of us as Americans.

We are back.

Biden and Kamala are toast. That is the real story now.

And make no mistake about it: This was a Culture Wars win. This election was about CRT. Next up is the trans agenda in our public schools. Yes, we're coming for you too. Enough is Enough.

Well, at least one person is willing to say it out loud.

We should all say this aloud. I vote Dem and we are losing because of our smug take on the culture war.

We won on LGBT rights with same sex marriage and anti discrimination laws, but then waaaaay too far with the neopronouns, XY people in womens sports, “men will never take advantage of new bathroom laws!” crap.

BLM galvanized the country and opened even my very conservative family’s eyes, but then no one was able to turn this into any actual change for the better and instead Dems just focus on shaming white “Karens” with no goal in sight.

Dems have been saying “follow the science” on vaccines, but then go overboard with school closures when the science says the risk of the virus to children is minuscule.

People want affordable healthcare, parental leave, and good infrastructure, but instead all the Dems offer is endless cultural shaming because talk is cheap and legislation is hard. You’re handing the country to the GOP on a platter. (They don’t have any brilliant solutions either, but the Dems are being so annoying no one even blames them for that.)

+1 The most sensible post on the thread. Thank you.

This. Ds take the culture wars two steps too far and its a repellant to most moderates. No one gives a crap about pronouns. Can we drop that nonsense now? Dems have a complete inability to read the room. People care about healthcare, schools, keeping kids in schools, preventing gun violence, and the economy. Stick to those points and we're good.

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

+1 the “CRT” stuff wasn’t important to NoVa voters (it was just a bone for the R base in the rest of the state), but the closures and the perception that the curriculum was being “dumbed down” by the Democrats in the state DoE WAS important here. All it takes is a few percentage points of people who usually vote D switching to the other side.

And no, NoVa schools didn’t open at the same time as other schools. Anyone with functioning eyes and access to social media could have seen that. The closures killed Democrats and people took out their frustrations on the first election they could.

Yes, to this. I think it was much more bread-n-butter educational issues that motivated (or didn't motivate) NoVa voters. And Terry had to win big there. And now Democrats are going to respond to those concerns by calling everyone uneducated Karens, which wrong or right, is going to further drive the suburbs away. Ugh.

This. I know it’s next day bitterness, but the response that the swing voters who voted Youngkin are uneducated Karens is a terrible look. You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Are you kidding?? Yes. I see we have a very succinct illustration of why Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

They just don’t get it. It’s not coddling to refrain from labeling every person who agrees with some Republican ideas as a racist or uneducated.

Disagreeing doesn't mean you're uneducated, no. However, when given specific, cited examples of how your disagreeing idea is untrue and still believing it anyway... well, that's being uneducated in my book.

Because only Democratic policies and ideas are “true”? Come on. The voters that flipped this election to Youngkin are not the 1/6 deniers, it was generally suburban moderates who do not like how far left the Democratic Party has moved.

+1. I live in a very liberal, progressive suburb. I've seen firsthand how the local policies have made things worse, so I voted R. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Anonymous wrote:Biden will get his bills passed, 5-11 kids will get vaxxed, people will be happy and Biden’s approval numbers will soar. Talk of GOP retaking the House in 2022 is wishful thinking. Calm down, folks.

You still don't get it, do you?

Get what? Biden will now have an excuse to move back to the cevter, which is where he wanted to be anywhere. Silver lining for him here.

There’s no evidence he wanted to be in the center. The minute he walked in the door he handed control of the agenda over to the left and progressives.

There is no evidence that he wants to be anywhere. He's accomplished precisely nothing, which in and of itself is an accomplishment for a president whose party controls both chambers of congress

DP. He pulled us out of Afghanistan, the first president to do so. And he's told everyone that we will defend Taiwan, also the first president to do so.

I'm not sure democrats are wise to run on the Afghanistan withdrawal as a signature accomplishment, and defending Taiwan is an empty promise and everyone knows it. Taiwan is a short flight from multiple Chinese airfields and in range of god knows how many missile batteries. If they invade all any president could do is strongly protest at the UN.

Yeah, I keep seeing news stories about how things are so bad that Afghan families are selling their young daughters. Not a good look. Also let me know if there's a place I can donate that's helping these families so they don't have to do that.

DP.. majority of Americans wanted the US to pullout. I'm not sure what you thought would happen

I’m a DP. We didn’t want to pull out like this!! Biden manufactured a complete CF in Afghanistan that erased years of progress with his horribly myopic decisions. And yes, Biden said we will defend Taiwan, BUT PSAKI HAD TO WALK THAT BACK BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING OUT HIS ASS AND CONTRADICTED US POLICY ACCORDING TO THE TAIWAN RELATIONS ACT. His entire foreign policy is in shambles, leaving us vulnerable to an attack (anyone go to a mall in Fairfax County over the weekend?). And let’s not forget our southern border (Does it bother anyone that Biden is now telling people not to
come here?). Oh, and our shipping back-ups. And gas prices. And inflation. And that he wants to pay people who were separated from families at the border $450k. And police are leaving the force because, guess what? They don’t want to be defunded and devalued.

The exit was always going to look like this. The Taliban prisoners had been released before the inauguration and they were steadily advancing against a corrupt and incompetent government. We could have surged back in and tried to prop them up, but no one would have supported that so we left. There was no way that there would have ever been enough seats on the flights or that whatever airport we chose to exit from wasn't going to be mobbed by desperate people. It's still not an accomplishment that Biden can run on. Just imagine that this withdawrl was dragged out long enough to get out everyone who wanted out- do you think Americans would welcome a million Afghan refugees? a half million?

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Anonymous wrote:57 percent of white women supported Youngkin. You’re all suckers.

No, we're smart. And we care about our kids more than your progressive agenda.

Your worried your white male kids will have to compete on a even playing field.

You think the white and Asian kids need to be blind-folded and knee-capped for a century or two. No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin's lead in the polls increased again.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/governor/virginia/

Yep

I don't get the obsession over the polls. It's not just this election.

Is it like a peer pressure thing? Like, you can't just vote for the candidate you think has the best policies and would help our state/country the most and feel confidant about it. You need to know that other people are also voting for her/him?

Are you that insecure with your decision?

Bet you wished you'd listened to those polls now huh?

DP. But why would some random person want to "listen" to the polls? What would that even mean? I vote for the people who will, in my opinion, do the best job as an elected official. Polls don't change that and I'm not changing who I vote for based on what other people want (nor do I expect them to change who they vote for based on what I believe). Sometimes my candidate wins, sometimes they lose, but I always feel good about my choices.

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IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

So you’re pissed at FCPS?

I am just telling you where the people are so the Ds don’t miss the mark next time.

Most of the parents don't remember the nuance of what the governor approved vs. what happened. All they saw is that public schools weren't open for most of 2020-2021, while private schools did open full time.

I agree.

Agree too (Dem voter). This wasn’t the only issue, but one of the big ones. I fear my party is getting a set of alternative facts (like all the PPs set on arguing that Nova schools were opening just as early as the rest of the country??) Voting Youngkin may have been a stupid way to “punish” school boards, but it still was a strong motivation IMHO.

+1 the “CRT” stuff wasn’t important to NoVa voters (it was just a bone for the R base in the rest of the state), but the closures and the perception that the curriculum was being “dumbed down” by the Democrats in the state DoE WAS important here. All it takes is a few percentage points of people who usually vote D switching to the other side.

And no, NoVa schools didn’t open at the same time as other schools. Anyone with functioning eyes and access to social media could have seen that. The closures killed Democrats and people took out their frustrations on the first election they could.

Yes, to this. I think it was much more bread-n-butter educational issues that motivated (or didn't motivate) NoVa voters. And Terry had to win big there. And now Democrats are going to respond to those concerns by calling everyone uneducated Karens, which wrong or right, is going to further drive the suburbs away. Ugh.

This. I know it’s next day bitterness, but the response that the swing voters who voted Youngkin are uneducated Karens is a terrible look. You will need these swing voters to come back to the Dems in 2022 and 2024, so what is insulting them accomplishing?

So the key to winning elections is to coddle voters and just tell them what they want to hear?

Are you kidding?? Yes. I see we have a very succinct illustration of why Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

They just don’t get it. It’s not coddling to refrain from labeling every person who agrees with some Republican ideas as a racist or uneducated.

Disagreeing doesn't mean you're uneducated, no. However, when given specific, cited examples of how your disagreeing idea is untrue and still believing it anyway... well, that's being uneducated in my book.

Because only Democratic policies and ideas are “true”? Come on. The voters that flipped this election to Youngkin are not the 1/6 deniers, it was generally suburban moderates who do not like how far left the Democratic Party has moved.

“I don’t think parents should be telling the schools what they should teach.”

- Terry McAuliffe 2021.


I learned in school that the US has a government for, of, and by the people.

Terry, maybe you need to find a foreign country with a type of government more in line with your views.

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Fairfax:
Biden 70%, Trump 28%
McAuliffe 64%, Youngkin 34%

Arlington:
Biden 81%, Trump 17%
McAuliffe 76%, Youngkin 22%

Loudoun:
Biden 61%, Trump 36%
McAuliffe 54%, Youngkin 44%

Prince William:
Biden 62%, Trump 35%
McAuliffe 58%, Youngkin 41%

Youngkin was able to pick off a few suburban voters who were scared of the Democrats on education.

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Anonymous wrote:NEWSFLASH: smug condescending arrogance after closing schools for a year is not a winning message.

I thought you were trying to convince us you were smart and rational.

I think the Rs figured out what the majority of people wanted here & that’s not dumb. I would like the Ds to do it more often. But politics is a pendulum and you can’t always win, either.

What people wanted? Or maybe what they thought they wanted after manipulation and social pressure.

I bet this will be a case study in the future.

Dems are terrible at campaigning.

IMO they shot themselves in the foot by closing school. What an impact they made on so many people day in and day out for a year. I certainly hope it is a case study for the future.

They made informed, reasonable decisions based on the info we had and resources available. You think we have staffing issues now? Imagine if you forced teachers in last fall before the vaccine and as numbers were skyrocketing.

Our schools (local, not state) didn’t just say F it and send kids back in.

Sorry that pisses you off so much that you had to vote for a Trump Republican.

I voted D like I always do but your attitude is exactly why the Rs won and I’ve been saying that.
I also remember that Northam allowed schools to open hybrid in August 2020 and Fairfax had some of the best corona numbers in the state - not the worst - such that we should have considered being more conservative than he allowed with school reopening. And I also didn’t forget that the Dept of Health approved of the hybrid plan as well.

Exactly! As far as the Covid response at least, Northam was more pragmatic than NoVA. So much hubris in the Dem party. We’ll see similar in the GOP here. I swear the Dems have become the party of ignoring people. I thought TMac would win by a thin margin. Ds keep thinking they have a mandate from the people to do x, y, z on their list of campaign promises when they get elected but that hasn’t really been the case, The people want something more balanced than what either party is offering. If the Ds would listen to something other than what’s inside their own heads, they’d realize this.

It's like suddenly people forgot that ACPS had zero students in person and then had to have their hand forced by the governor. I think we had 6 severely disabled students in person at one point before even they got sent back to virtual.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

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Actually non college educated white women came out in droves for Youngkin. So it can be inferred with a fair degrees of confidence that his voters were defiantly not of superior intelligence, based upon that one little factoid, not to mention that they were so easily encouraged to vote against their own self interests. So yes the lack of a college degree. Especially when we are talking about white women in this area is a pretty good indication of a less than average level of intelligence. superior but by definition definitely more intelligent, you do know that white women without a college definition came out in droves for Yoingkin.

I’ll never understand why people vote against their own self interests. If you only knew just how insulated people like me are from decisions people like you make you’d never stop weeping. The fact is that many people vote for dems because we want our country, states and towns to be better for everyone. I didn’t lose a dime under trump. I didn’t miss a day of work because I was able to work from home, and I will be able to going forward. I have great health insurance, I live very comfortably in a really safe neighborhood, my kids go to the best public schools in the area, oh and I will retire in a few years because I’ve amassed more wealth than I could possibly spend in my golden years, and I’m 50, which means I’ll pass on wealth to my offspring.

Yep I am a democrat but the truth is there are a lot of people in this area whose lives aren’t really affected one way or the other. They don’t live anywhere near the edge. I do well regardless of who is in power. I truly feel sorry for all of the rubes who bought into the nonsense that was spewed during this election. But keep voting against your own self interests after all the less you have, the more I have, and quite frankly if you don’t care why should I.

Now buckle up buttercups, or should I say bittercups and hang onto those bootstraps Because you are going to need too. Youngkin lied to get your vote your life and your schools will be no better this time next year and mine will be not have changed at all.

The quiet parts out loud.

Truth, and I love you for saying it. The lives of the people in Red Virginia will get shittier under Youngkin and they will never figure out that they did it to themselves. I have enough money to buy my way out of any mess Youngkin creates, but they can’t say the same. Sure, put vouchers in place. It won’t be enough to cover private school tuition but I can more than afford the difference. Middle class Bob in western Loudoun? Not so much. Enjoy your defunded public school, Bob!

I vote blue, but most of Youngkin's policies will be good for my family assuming that he can get them passed. We'll get a tax cut and it will likely be at the expense of services that we don't use. Maybe we'll get a voucher that we'll essentially just view as a deduction in tuition that we don't need. I'm assuming it will be up to the counties to figure out how to fund vouchers and schools, and I'm sure Fairfax will have an easier time of it than already cash strapped rural counties. Maybe the state will cover the expense, but again, cuts will have to come from somewhere to pay for it. Maybe he passes abortion restrictions, but Maryland and DC are 20 minute drives from here. I guess firearm restrictions could become even looser, but if someone wants to cosplay at being a gunslinger I'll just chuckle.

Why did you vote for McAuliffe?

DP. This question tells us so much about you, and Republicans generally. You really can’t conceive that someone might vote against their own interests because they are affluent enough to absorb it and want to help people who are less fortunate than them?

The reason the parties are so far about is because they have very different morals and values. Republican look out for themselves exclusively and say eff the rest of you. Democrats look at the world and feel like they can’t vote just to enrich themselves at the expense of others who have less when they already have more than enough.

LOL. Just look at Tholen and Frisch! They are perfect examples of why even liberals dislike the (Dem) school board. LoL. One party isn’t morally superior than the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax:
Biden 70%, Trump 28%
McAuliffe 64%, Youngkin 34%

Arlington:
Biden 81%, Trump 17%
McAuliffe 76%, Youngkin 22%

Loudoun:
Biden 61%, Trump 36%
McAuliffe 54%, Youngkin 44%

Prince William:
Biden 62%, Trump 35%
McAuliffe 58%, Youngkin 41%

Youngkin was able to pick off a few suburban voters who were scared of the Democrats on education.

I wonder how the 2020 numbers compared to 2016 numbers. Youngkin definitely picked off the suburbanites on education, but I think many of the 2021 voters for Biden were Rs who would have otherwise voted for R if not for the Trump referendum.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

It's easy to blame the schools when friends and relatives in other states (including deep blue ones) have kids in school

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

It's easy to blame the schools when friends and relatives in other states (including deep blue ones) have kids in school

It’s a juvenile take.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the differential between Biden 2020 and McAuliffe yesterday in the relevant NOVA areas?

Anyone have that off hand? That is the key to how much the schools mattered.

I believe Youngkin was running around 3-5 percentage points ahead of Biden 2020 in most of NoVa. All it takes is a few percentage points in a close race. People are pissed about the school issues.

And it’s misplaced. The issue was National response to a pandemic, and the virus itself. But let’s blame the schools.

So? All politics is local. Between the VA school lock-downs and the CRT agenda, this was a no-brainer win for the Rs. Terry is so out of touch with reality that he didn't even see it coming.