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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn’t they do the top 1.5% at the school you are attending? SOL scores for kids are attached to the school that they are attending. If you choose to move schools, you choose that as your school. That counts for everything.

You don’t have to choose to attend an AAP Center school. Parents knew this year that school choice mattered. Parents know for next year that the school matters. If you feel that the academic rigor is better at the AAP Center, then send your kid there. Appreciate that they are getting what you deem to be a better education. They probably have access to better extra curricular activities as well. If TJ is that important to you and you think you stand a better chance of getting into TJ coming from your base school, stay at the base school.

You have a choice, make your choice and accept that there are consequences for that choice.

I mean, good grief... nearly half of the spaces in each incoming TJ class are unallocated, meaning that those spaces are up for grabs to the highest-evaluated applicants once you get away from the top 1.5% at each school. So you're not even competing with the best of the best for those unallocated seats. And that's even assuming that all of the allocated seats get used, which they don't.

The more I read parents on this thread, the more convinced I am that their kids are really not THAT much different from the kids that they're trying to keep out of TJ by crying "racism".

TJ's been in session for a semester now with the Class of 2025. Where are the reports of huge numbers of students unable to cope? Where are the reports of the mass exodus of students who don't belong there? Where are the teachers talking about how they have to lower their standards to account for the lack of an exam in the admissions process? Where are the teachers talking about behavior issues that would have been eliminated with teacher recommendations?

Nothingburger.

Person in charge of TJ (Principal) will not allow anything negative to get out regarding class of 2025. She was a rabid supporter of the changes and hostile to Asian students.

Let’s report her divisiveness and hatred to the governor office. [e-mail]
She needs to go.

Back in 2011-2012, there were hundreds of news articles about how some TJ students were struggling in math. The media was all over it covering this for months including the WaPo and guess what the difference is between 2011 (class of 2015) and class of 2025? Could it be that TJ was mostly Asians and white (about 95%) and now black and Hispanic students make up almost 20%?

Or could it be that the math classes are not as demanding or the grading is more lenient? You do know that the approach to grading has become progressively more lenient since 2011. First the scale changed, and later the policies making 50% the lowest grade for a test or assignment or ceasing to penalize students for turning in work late were adopted.

Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

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Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

DP. It's unreasonable to expect the class of 2025 to do as well as previous TJ classes. 3 months of 7th grade and most of 8th grade were virtual for them, with extremely low standards for As at almost every middle school. Even the high achievers lost some of the content that was supposed to be taught in their honors/AAP classes. If more kids in the class of 2025 need remedial classes, it could reflect lower standards. It also could reflect the learning loss and difficulties with virtual schooling for so many of the kids.

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Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

DP. It's unreasonable to expect the class of 2025 to do as well as previous TJ classes. 3 months of 7th grade and most of 8th grade were virtual for them, with extremely low standards for As at almost every middle school. Even the high achievers lost some of the content that was supposed to be taught in their honors/AAP classes. If more kids in the class of 2025 need remedial classes, it could reflect lower standards. It also could reflect the learning loss and difficulties with virtual schooling for so many of the kids. [b]

What you say should not matter - TJ caliber/TJ ready students actually learn more on their own than from their "average" teachers except for maybe few of the TJ teachers.

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Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

DP. It's unreasonable to expect the class of 2025 to do as well as previous TJ classes. 3 months of 7th grade and most of 8th grade were virtual for them, with extremely low standards for As at almost every middle school. Even the high achievers lost some of the content that was supposed to be taught in their honors/AAP classes. If more kids in the class of 2025 need remedial classes, it could reflect lower standards. It also could reflect the learning loss and difficulties with virtual schooling for so many of the kids. [b]

What you say should not matter - TJ caliber/TJ ready students actually learn more on their own than from their "average" teachers except for maybe few of the TJ teachers.

You start off by saying...I agree with you but

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Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

DP. It's unreasonable to expect the class of 2025 to do as well as previous TJ classes. 3 months of 7th grade and most of 8th grade were virtual for them, with extremely low standards for As at almost every middle school. Even the high achievers lost some of the content that was supposed to be taught in their honors/AAP classes. If more kids in the class of 2025 need remedial classes, it could reflect lower standards. It also could reflect the learning loss and difficulties with virtual schooling for so many of the kids.

Well if there were more Asians, they would do just as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn’t they do the top 1.5% at the school you are attending? SOL scores for kids are attached to the school that they are attending. If you choose to move schools, you choose that as your school. That counts for everything.

You don’t have to choose to attend an AAP Center school. Parents knew this year that school choice mattered. Parents know for next year that the school matters. If you feel that the academic rigor is better at the AAP Center, then send your kid there. Appreciate that they are getting what you deem to be a better education. They probably have access to better extra curricular activities as well. If TJ is that important to you and you think you stand a better chance of getting into TJ coming from your base school, stay at the base school.

You have a choice, make your choice and accept that there are consequences for that choice.

I mean, good grief... nearly half of the spaces in each incoming TJ class are unallocated, meaning that those spaces are up for grabs to the highest-evaluated applicants once you get away from the top 1.5% at each school. So you're not even competing with the best of the best for those unallocated seats. And that's even assuming that all of the allocated seats get used, which they don't.

The more I read parents on this thread, the more convinced I am that their kids are really not THAT much different from the kids that they're trying to keep out of TJ by crying "racism".

TJ's been in session for a semester now with the Class of 2025. Where are the reports of huge numbers of students unable to cope? Where are the reports of the mass exodus of students who don't belong there? Where are the teachers talking about how they have to lower their standards to account for the lack of an exam in the admissions process? Where are the teachers talking about behavior issues that would have been eliminated with teacher recommendations?

Nothingburger.

Person in charge of TJ (Principal) will not allow anything negative to get out regarding class of 2025. She was a rabid supporter of the changes and hostile to Asian students.

Let’s report her divisiveness and hatred to the governor office. [e-mail]
She needs to go.

Back in 2011-2012, there were hundreds of news articles about how some TJ students were struggling in math. The media was all over it covering this for months including the WaPo and guess what the difference is between 2011 (class of 2015) and class of 2025? Could it be that TJ was mostly Asians and white (about 95%) and now black and Hispanic students make up almost 20%?

TJ students struggled in math during that year because they were advanced beyond their capability levels. Why? Because evidence suggested that a higher math level indicated a greater chance of success in the TJ admissions process, leading parents to engage in destructive hyper-advancement behavior.

I am a parent of a child in that class and I went to all the meetings that were held about that situation and I still have the printout of the report. I also talked to a number of the TJ math teachers at that time. The PP above is correct that the problem was that kids were being prepped to appear to be at higher math levels than they actually understood.

Many of the kids in the remedial math classes that year were kids who had been in advanced math prep programs for years but had never really understood the basic foundational skills they needed for that advanced math. They knew how to work the problems, but they didn’t really understand the why and how of what they were doing.

And these problems didn’t just pop up in 2011. The TJ math teachers had been noticing these problems for a number of years and had decided to take action by requiring remedial work right away for freshmen they noticed were having problems. The idea was to identify kids and give them extra support so that they could be successful at TJ. Most of the kids who needed this support were kids who had taken prep classes to help them through the application process.

Maybe the kids needing remedial math looked like the kids in this photograph. Heard they did a lot of prep.

https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2019/july/us-first-in-math-competiton.html

They definitely didn't look like those kids. Wrong slice of the TJ population.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn’t they do the top 1.5% at the school you are attending? SOL scores for kids are attached to the school that they are attending. If you choose to move schools, you choose that as your school. That counts for everything.

You don’t have to choose to attend an AAP Center school. Parents knew this year that school choice mattered. Parents know for next year that the school matters. If you feel that the academic rigor is better at the AAP Center, then send your kid there. Appreciate that they are getting what you deem to be a better education. They probably have access to better extra curricular activities as well. If TJ is that important to you and you think you stand a better chance of getting into TJ coming from your base school, stay at the base school.

You have a choice, make your choice and accept that there are consequences for that choice.

I mean, good grief... nearly half of the spaces in each incoming TJ class are unallocated, meaning that those spaces are up for grabs to the highest-evaluated applicants once you get away from the top 1.5% at each school. So you're not even competing with the best of the best for those unallocated seats. And that's even assuming that all of the allocated seats get used, which they don't.

The more I read parents on this thread, the more convinced I am that their kids are really not THAT much different from the kids that they're trying to keep out of TJ by crying "racism".

TJ's been in session for a semester now with the Class of 2025. Where are the reports of huge numbers of students unable to cope? Where are the reports of the mass exodus of students who don't belong there? Where are the teachers talking about how they have to lower their standards to account for the lack of an exam in the admissions process? Where are the teachers talking about behavior issues that would have been eliminated with teacher recommendations?

Nothingburger.

Person in charge of TJ (Principal) will not allow anything negative to get out regarding class of 2025. She was a rabid supporter of the changes and hostile to Asian students.

Let’s report her divisiveness and hatred to the governor office. [e-mail]
She needs to go.

Back in 2011-2012, there were hundreds of news articles about how some TJ students were struggling in math. The media was all over it covering this for months including the WaPo and guess what the difference is between 2011 (class of 2015) and class of 2025? Could it be that TJ was mostly Asians and white (about 95%) and now black and Hispanic students make up almost 20%?

Or could it be that the math classes are not as demanding or the grading is more lenient? You do know that the approach to grading has become progressively more lenient since 2011. First the scale changed, and later the policies making 50% the lowest grade for a test or assignment or ceasing to penalize students for turning in work late were adopted.

Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

That's because it's too early to make any assertions.

I have no idea if they're doing just as well, or worse, or whatever. But it's too early to make a call either way, and so the pre-emptive declarations of conspiracies are nonsense.

Give these kids a chance, is all I'm saying.

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Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

DP. It's unreasonable to expect the class of 2025 to do as well as previous TJ classes. 3 months of 7th grade and most of 8th grade were virtual for them, with extremely low standards for As at almost every middle school. Even the high achievers lost some of the content that was supposed to be taught in their honors/AAP classes. If more kids in the class of 2025 need remedial classes, it could reflect lower standards. It also could reflect the learning loss and difficulties with virtual schooling for so many of the kids.

It's important to note that there is a difference between remedial classes and a lower starting point.

Remedial classes are what you get when you are advanced to a level that is beyond your command and you have to go backwards to relearn material.

What is (slightly) more common with 2025 is that they are entering at a starting point where previously only 5-10% of TJ students entered, and it's now closer to 15-20%.

TJ Math teachers have nearly universally believed that students who learned Geometry and Algebra II at TJ had much stronger foundations and ended up with better command of the material and concepts than students who entered TJ in the AlgII/Pre-Calc equivalent.

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Another essentially unfalsifiable claim that turns into soft racism. If the present student body is doing just as well as previous students, that's evidence that standards must be lowered or that grading is more lenient because of course Black and Hispanic kids can't do as well as our kids! We try harder! We care more about school! We have the market cornered on effort in academics!

You actually haven't presented any evidence that the present student body is doing just as well as previous students.

You lose credibility when you come across as such a shill. It appears all you care about is PR and want to declare success on the basis of very little evidence.

DP. It's unreasonable to expect the class of 2025 to do as well as previous TJ classes. 3 months of 7th grade and most of 8th grade were virtual for them, with extremely low standards for As at almost every middle school. Even the high achievers lost some of the content that was supposed to be taught in their honors/AAP classes. If more kids in the class of 2025 need remedial classes, it could reflect lower standards. It also could reflect the learning loss and difficulties with virtual schooling for so many of the kids.

It's important to note that there is a difference between remedial classes and a lower starting point.

Remedial classes are what you get when you are advanced to a level that is beyond your command and you have to go backwards to relearn material.

What is (slightly) more common with 2025 is that they are entering at a starting point where previously only 5-10% of TJ students entered, and it's now closer to 15-20%.

TJ Math teachers have nearly universally believed that students who learned Geometry and Algebra II at TJ had much stronger foundations and ended up with better command of the material and concepts than students who entered TJ in the AlgII/Pre-Calc equivalent.

Additionally - these students all are tracked to get through Calculus BC in their senior year and have access to many, if not all, of the highly advanced STEM classes that TJ has to offer. But the 80% of the other students should be able to more than keep those afloat.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

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Anonymous wrote:No one feels wronged? Who are you kidding? Asian families have been complaining, and suing, about geographic quotas and diversity issues for a while now. Anything that is done to increase another groups access is seen as an attack on the Asian population which is over represented in every educational environment, by a large percentage over represented.

This started a long time ago at Universities and there has been complaints, law suits, and other attempts to reverse policies at Universities because attempts at diversifying the Universities population has led to a decline in Asian and White attendees.

There is no timeline or way to shift who attends TJ that would not lead to the Asian community being upset. In the minds of many of the change at TJ is bad crowd, anything short of a test and giving kids extra credit for starting Algebra in 5th or 6th grade is racist. The system that placed heavy reliance on a test and acceleration in school, which benefits families and cultures what are willing to treat anything that they grind their way ahead in, led student population that does not reflect FCPS in any way, not in terms of socio economics, race, ethnicity, or any demographic measure you could come up with. It is easy to argue "The test because it is based on merit!" while ignoring the prep classes. Or "But they are advanced in math" ignoring the money spent in supplementation programs (AoPS, RSM, prep school classes) that allowed their kids into more advanced classes at a far younger age. Or "But they did all these math competitions/STEM activities" ignoring the fact not everyone can afford the competition math route or pay for robotics.

My kid does RSM and math competitions. He loves it. Both are pricey and require a time commitment and a travel commitment. Many families cannot afford the money for these activities or have the easy transportation to the locations for these activities or have the time to be able to take their ES kid to these activities. I get that which is why I don't have a problem with setting the standards for TJ based on what every kid has access to at their school. Even with that, there are fewer Black and Hispanic kids in AAP, which is the track for taking Algebra in MS. This means that are at a disadvantage in order to be able to meet the more basic requirements. But at least they are all accessible at FCPS schools and not something that people who have the money/knowledge/time have a decided step up on.

If DS wants to go to TJ and does not get accepted, he will be fine at his HS. He enjoys his math class and math competitions. Just like there are kids who play sports all the way through MS and are cut from the HS team, there are kids who put in the work to apply to TJ and they are not admitted. It is a part of life. If they really enjoyed the STEM, math, sports on the way, then they have all the positives of having enjoyed that activity even if they don't attend TJ or make the team.

You keep bringing your kid into this. Best wishes to you and your kid. But your microcosm does not define the community. If you cannot empathize with others' situation and their pain because you believe your logic outweighs others' logic then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Let everyone take-off their gloves and have a fistfight. The Dems scored first - and then may be the Governor will score or the Courts will rule against them. And the cycle will repeat. And we will be a broken community. Whatever.

DP. You're crying crocodile tears because the "pain" that you speak of is having a slightly reduced chance of attending a free selective public high school that you have dominated for a decade. When you compare that to the pain that some of these other communities experience on a daily basis, you shouldn't be shocked that you are called out for being tone-deaf.

YOU are making TJ a bigger deal than it is or should be.

Please..stop trying to take the moral high ground. Do the work! We understand the pain that "some of these other communities experience on a daily basis". Way better than you - for obvious reasons. So let us do the hard work on solving those problems. Don't assuage your guilt by attacking other minorities.

Guilt? They have increased the white student acceptance number as well as the result of TJ reform. So they're saying it should be Asians, not the whites, who should pay back the crimes committed by the whites against the minorities. We need to eff them hard whenever possible.

Increases in acceptance numbers for white students largely track with increases in applications for them. They made up a larger share of the applicant pool this year, and thus you can't explain their increases in raw numbers or percentages by changes within the selection process. Those increases are more likely explained by changes in the application process than the selection process.

But you probably don't care about that.

Yes, what a coincidence! How convenient!

Do you have a problem with more students being interested in attending the school? Would that create an admissions process that is too competitive?

No, but not by lowering the standards as deliberated and prescribed by TJ reform.

What standard was lowered by the new admissions process? Some standards were eliminated - the teacher recommendations (which I think was a mistake), the exam, and the application fee - and one, the GPA requirement, was raised. But there isn't a measured metric where the standard to achieve was reduced.

You just answered your own question.

Eliminating a standard that is problematic (standardized testing and admissions fees) is not the same as lowering a standard. Lowering that standard would have involved maintaining the exams but reducing the score that needed to be achieved for certain populations to be admitted as a hard cutoff, rather than as part of the broader holistic evaluation of the application.

How is standardized testing more problematic than grades and teacher evaluations, which practically invite bias? What would you say if I told you the data show that grades are more biased towards the wealthy than standardized test scores are?

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Anonymous wrote:I am an asian and I do not mind making changes to increase the diversity. However, I hate to say its not well thought out and not all factors were taken into consideration. AAP center schools are at a disadvantage as every school gets the same minimum quota and its a lot easier to get into TJ from a non AAP center school than AAP center school. Also, there is no preference for a smarter or hard working kid who took all honors courses in middle school along with Geo HN/Algebra II HN and STEM focus electives compared to someone who just took the easier route of Algebra I in 8th grade and got the similar GPA. In my opinion TJ will be slowly watered down in over all quality as it is forced to cater to a much wider range of students than earlier, though still going to be better than other high schools in the area.

You are exactly right. It wasn’t well thought through unless you think the goal was also to water down AAP centers. FCPS doesn’t stand for excellence in education any longer. It’s sad to watch the decline and neglect by a bunch of utterly worthless hacks.

Yeah, maybe you should move to Arlington, Loudoun, or private maybe.

You should go back to the country your ancestors came from, maybe.

Jail?

My ancestors put my people in the position where they can control who attends TJ. My people decided to change who is admitted and that’s that. You should be happy my people allow yours to come to this country, enjoy our culture, and attend our schools. We could have left you on the other side of the world eating your General Tsoes rat meat.

Except that your ancestors did so by murdering American Indians (the true Americans) and enslaving black people. Expecting the offspring of murderers and criminals to be civilized is just a pipe dream.

The story of raping murdering and stealing your clan’s/tribe’s/etc. way to power is a tale as old as time. White people from Europe aren’t special.

Making laws and rules granting equal status to ethnic/racial outsiders is what’s different. I can’t imagine going to Nigeria China Mexico Pakistan with my different heritage and phenotype and telling them why they suck. At least, not without my guest pass (because you know I wouldn’t have equal status even if I’d lived there a decade) being revoked, harsh words directed my way and an escort to the airport to get the fck out.

It’s amazing when you think about it.

It’s amc

I am not sure you have ever been out or the country. Yes. People Europeans did go all those countries, told people they sucked and stole from there too. It is just that your time is up now supreme white one.

I think it should now be obvious to Blacks/Hispanics that you are being played by white liberals like this guy and Scotty. They just want to try to keep themselves on top by acting all morally superior using URMs as tokens. Don't fall for it.

URM’s aren’t being used. They have been discriminated against here in America every since Columbus got here. We know Scotty is no friend of ours, but Youngkin is even less our friend.

This isn’t our fight. We were being discriminated against before any new policy and are still being discriminated against under the new policy. All the racism you watch is endured and none of you other groups stand up and fight for us. You actually join in and kick us while we are down. A lot of you have demonstrate vitriol towards URM’s. Just read how you talk about us on DCUM.

If you are being treated wrong, that’s unfortunate, but we are experiencing a lot of racism in other areas which we are fighting against. Hold your own nuts!

Pretty sure it's not Asians kicking other minorities. Ironic post from you.

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Everyone focuses on race and the effect on Asians, but this really isn't about race as much as it is about socioeconomic status which are, admittedly, intertwined. If there are poor Asian kids attending Sandburg MS, then they will benefit from the policy change. It's the wealthy families in Chantilly and Great Falls pyramids that stand to lose spots, which is why there is so much vocal outrage.

There are a few problems with focusing on socioeconomic status. This year and last year, the FARMS thing was self reported and technically everyone qualified, so TJ isn't necessarily getting many true FARMS kids. Lower middle class kids who are just barely above the FARMS threshold are treated exactly the same as the wealthy kids, even though they have vastly different opportunities/privileges. Even the highest FARMS schools have some fraction of wealthy, privileged kids who will snag many of the TJ spots for those schools. Even the lowest FARMS schools have some FARMS kids or not-quite-FARMS lower income kids. Many lower middle class Asian families prioritize education enough that they'll find a way to be in a good school, even if they're sacrificing many extras to do so. Now, those kids have almost no shot at TJ.

It's a very flawed system. If FCPS really wants to find underprivileged kids, they should look at parental education levels and not specific school, self reported FARMS status, or race.

I actually agree with you that this would be a stronger metric, but there isn't a way to do that. And besides, you'd just get parents under-reporting their education level to game the system anyway.

The new TJ admissions model works to create better representation because Northern Virginia is so deeply segregated into ethnic enclaves. If the upshot of this new policy is that population centers like those in Herndon, Ashburn, Chantilly, and Brambleton actually desegregate themselves, and end up raising the academic profile of some of the underrepresented middle schools, that's sort of a win-win. And as an added benefit, those students will spend a significant amount of time among kids from different backgrounds while they're in middle school, which will leave them better able to navigate a rapidly diversifying college and professional climate.

Except for the Asian students getting hate crimed in the hallways by their new peers.

So, PP said the quiet part out loud. It wasn't enough to claim that TJ had a "toxic environment" when there were so many Asian kids; now we're also told that our housing choices are unacceptable and that we must be incentivized to leave our "ethnic enclaves" by changing the TJ admissions model.

Perhaps they don't realize that, overall, Asians are distributed more evenly throughout NoVa than Whites (heavily concentrated in North Arlington, Vienna and Fairfax Station), Blacks (heavily concentrated in southeastern Fairfax) and Hispanics (heavily concentrated in Falls Church, Annandale, South Arlington, and now Herndon).

There's no end, apparently, to your utopian fantasies. Would it really be that hard to treat students as individuals, and not simply as members of racial groups?

[And, oh, by the way, most Asians aren't going to gravitate towards the "underrepresented middle schools" in FCPS as frequently as gravitate even more towards the neighborhood pyramids that already have a reputation as more rigorous, so your social engineering incentives will fail from Day One.]

[Anonymous]

I live in one of the "population centers" for TJ that PP mentionend. Guess what? I am white and many of my neighbors are white. Many are Asian and some are people of other colors. It might surprise you to know that I even know their names and we chat. Did you know that they talk to their white neighbors? I have white neighbors, Asian neighbors, Jewish neighbors, Muslim neighbors and Christian neighbors. I probably also have atheist neighbors. And, yes, many of my teen neighbors attend TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in one of the "population centers" for TJ that PP mentionend. Guess what? I am white and many of my neighbors are white. Many are Asian and some are people of other colors. It might surprise you to know that I even know their names and we chat. Did you know that they talk to their white neighbors? I have white neighbors, Asian neighbors, Jewish neighbors, Muslim neighbors and Christian neighbors. I probably also have atheist neighbors. And, yes, many of my teen neighbors attend TJ.

How is this relevant?