Any word on the new NVSL rules for the summer?

[Anonymous]

This thread started about concerns that vaccunated people would need to wear masks ( like officials in the heat for 3 hours ) it is looking like at most or all pools, vaccinated adults don't need to wear masks. Also looking like many pools are ok with vaccinated teens being mask optional.

We are left with masked young swimmers and I am fine with that. The swimmers usually are sitting in the shade most of the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

Speaking for myself, I’m not “hell-bent” but I am comfortable with my unvaccinated kids not wearing masks at crowded swim events because (1) the rate of community transmission is very low right now, (2) the likelihood of spread outdoors is low, and (3) even if my young kids got COVID they would likely be fine, and anyone they might spread it to that wouldn’t be fine should be vaccinated. Acknowledge the risk isn’t zero, but multiplying three low probability events together gets pretty close to zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

Speaking for myself, I’m not “hell-bent” but I am comfortable my unvaccinated kids not wearing masks at crowded swim events because (1) the rate of community transmission is very low right now, (2) the likelihood of spread outdoors is low, and (3) even if my young kids got COVID they would likely be fine, and anyone they might spread it to that wouldn’t be fine should be vaccinated. Acknowledge the risk isn’t zero, but multiplying three low probability events together gets pretty close to zero.

This exactly. The science is pretty clear that the risk of outside transmission is very low and that Covid’s danger to kids is very low. When community spread was higher and they were all doing indoor sports, my kids and dozens of their friends all had Covid in the winter and none of them had symptoms or side effects. Our swim team of over 200 kids does not mask or distance and we haven’t had a complaint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

You 100% need to pull your kids out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

Yeah, you should pull them out. I feel sorry for your kids though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

You 100% need to pull your kids out.

I have my kids wearing masks anytime they go inside somewhere. A swim meet is different. This winter I saw exhausted 8 and unders 'swimming back' after doing their 25s to 'retrieve their mask.' It slowed down the meet significantly. 8 and unders swimming club are reasonably proficient swimmers- can you imagine 6 and under doing this in summer swim???? some of those kids can barely make it across once. I saw numerous kids gasping for breath after they swam hard, being ordered to put their mask immediately on their wet faces- the cloth masks then adhered to their wet faces making breathing harder.

The most 'crowded' place at a swim meet is the clerk of course. I'm not worried about them sitting there unmasked b/c they are outside, and the transmission in our area right now is extraordinarily low. But if you do mask there- you have to figure out what to do with the masks when they get up to swim- which is how you get into this scenario of needing 25's to 'swim back' of needing plastic bags for masks, that blow around in the wind, including into the water.. etc..

If we were talking an event where they could just keep their masks on the whole time and neither their faces or masks was wet- I would feel differently about masking 11 and unders.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

You 100% need to pull your kids out.

I have my kids wearing masks anytime they go inside somewhere. A swim meet is different. This winter I saw exhausted 8 and unders 'swimming back' after doing their 25s to 'retrieve their mask.' It slowed down the meet significantly. 8 and unders swimming club are reasonably proficient swimmers- can you imagine 6 and under doing this in summer swim???? some of those kids can barely make it across once. I saw numerous kids gasping for breath after they swam hard, being ordered to put their mask immediately on their wet faces- the cloth masks then adhered to their wet faces making breathing harder.

The most 'crowded' place at a swim meet is the clerk of course. I'm not worried about them sitting there unmasked b/c they are outside, and the transmission in our area right now is extraordinarily low. But if you do mask there- you have to figure out what to do with the masks when they get up to swim- which is how you get into this scenario of needing 25's to 'swim back' of needing plastic bags for masks, that blow around in the wind, including into the water.. etc..

If we were talking an event where they could just keep their masks on the whole time and neither their faces or masks was wet- I would feel differently about masking 11 and unders.....

This is actually helpful; thank you. I am the pp contemplating pulling kids. I have seen other leagues have a basket of masks in bags to meet the kids doing 25s - that seems to be better than 6u kids swimming back (which I agree is completely ridiculous). Would that work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

You 100% need to pull your kids out.

I have my kids wearing masks anytime they go inside somewhere. A swim meet is different. This winter I saw exhausted 8 and unders 'swimming back' after doing their 25s to 'retrieve their mask.' It slowed down the meet significantly. 8 and unders swimming club are reasonably proficient swimmers- can you imagine 6 and under doing this in summer swim???? some of those kids can barely make it across once. I saw numerous kids gasping for breath after they swam hard, being ordered to put their mask immediately on their wet faces- the cloth masks then adhered to their wet faces making breathing harder.

The most 'crowded' place at a swim meet is the clerk of course. I'm not worried about them sitting there unmasked b/c they are outside, and the transmission in our area right now is extraordinarily low. But if you do mask there- you have to figure out what to do with the masks when they get up to swim- which is how you get into this scenario of needing 25's to 'swim back' of needing plastic bags for masks, that blow around in the wind, including into the water.. etc..

If we were talking an event where they could just keep their masks on the whole time and neither their faces or masks was wet- I would feel differently about masking 11 and unders.....

Clerk of course can be adjusted so that it isn’t crowded. We don’t have to do it the way it’s always been done.

[Anonymous]

My kids both did winter swim and there was never a time anyone doing a 25 had to swim back across the pool. Every meet we did had mask runners for those events that ended at the opposite end. It’s not that hard to find an easy solution to ensure the children remain safe.

[Anonymous]

Everyone has to work within your pool. Pool, team and deck sizes are all different. Our pool will not have kids wear masks and will not have “mask runner” as a job. If that makes a parent uncomfortable then they can remove their child from the team. There is no distancing or masking at practice 5 days a week, so we aren’t then going to make it harder at meets.

[Anonymous]

here is the real source of comfort. I live in Falls Church City, there hasn't been a positive COVID case reported since May 19th. There have been at least 5 negative cases reported since then- which most likely means that some of the cases leading up to the last case on May 19th (and possibly including that case) were false positives.
We are adjacent to Arlington, which also has a negative case count as the 7 day running average and 14 day total case count.
all of Fairfax has a 7 day average case count of 1- and when put in terms of 10,000 pop it is .1.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia-locality/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

You 100% need to pull your kids out.

I have my kids wearing masks anytime they go inside somewhere. A swim meet is different. This winter I saw exhausted 8 and unders 'swimming back' after doing their 25s to 'retrieve their mask.' It slowed down the meet significantly. 8 and unders swimming club are reasonably proficient swimmers- can you imagine 6 and under doing this in summer swim???? some of those kids can barely make it across once. I saw numerous kids gasping for breath after they swam hard, being ordered to put their mask immediately on their wet faces- the cloth masks then adhered to their wet faces making breathing harder.

The most 'crowded' place at a swim meet is the clerk of course. I'm not worried about them sitting there unmasked b/c they are outside, and the transmission in our area right now is extraordinarily low. But if you do mask there- you have to figure out what to do with the masks when they get up to swim- which is how you get into this scenario of needing 25's to 'swim back' of needing plastic bags for masks, that blow around in the wind, including into the water.. etc..

If we were talking an event where they could just keep their masks on the whole time and neither their faces or masks was wet- I would feel differently about masking 11 and unders.....

Clerk of course can be adjusted so that it isn’t crowded. We don’t have to do it the way it’s always been done.

Don’t worry about clerk of course - close and continuing contact is 15 min according to the CDC. The kids won’t be there that long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m about to pull my two out of summer league because they are the only kids seemingly capable of distancing or masking, and they are both under 12, so unvaccinated. Could someone explain to me why you are so comfortable - nay, hell bent! - to not have your kids wear masks at crowded events? Outdoor or indoor, crowded is clearly a risk. I am not okay with my kids getting COVID. It’s not hard to enforce a little distance or a mask when distancing is hard.

The science is pretty clear - unvaccinated people need to mask or distance. Why are we abandoning it?

You 100% need to pull your kids out.

I have my kids wearing masks anytime they go inside somewhere. A swim meet is different. This winter I saw exhausted 8 and unders 'swimming back' after doing their 25s to 'retrieve their mask.' It slowed down the meet significantly. 8 and unders swimming club are reasonably proficient swimmers- can you imagine 6 and under doing this in summer swim???? some of those kids can barely make it across once. I saw numerous kids gasping for breath after they swam hard, being ordered to put their mask immediately on their wet faces- the cloth masks then adhered to their wet faces making breathing harder.

The most 'crowded' place at a swim meet is the clerk of course. I'm not worried about them sitting there unmasked b/c they are outside, and the transmission in our area right now is extraordinarily low. But if you do mask there- you have to figure out what to do with the masks when they get up to swim- which is how you get into this scenario of needing 25's to 'swim back' of needing plastic bags for masks, that blow around in the wind, including into the water.. etc..

If we were talking an event where they could just keep their masks on the whole time and neither their faces or masks was wet- I would feel differently about masking 11 and unders.....

Clerk of course can be adjusted so that it isn’t crowded. We don’t have to do it the way it’s always been done.

Don’t worry about clerk of course - close and continuing contact is 15 min according to the CDC. The kids won’t be there that long.

That is old and outdated information. Exposure can happen in far shorter periods of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Clerk of course can be adjusted so that it isn’t crowded. We don’t have to do it the way it’s always been done.

Our team reps indicated that for time trials, they're going to experiment with having two clerk of course areas in order to allow for more social distancing, and swimmers are not required to mask when reporting for their heats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a reason why we are not naming names about pools that are requiring masks? I have been checking several pool websites and I can’t find anyone that appears to be requiring masks.

Lake Braddock