Josh Duggar arrested and in federal custody

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Anonymous wrote:How messed up a human has to be to enjoy Child Porn. Think about it. This is not sexuality. This is something so unnatural, inhuman and disgusting.

There were researchers who wanted to study pedophiles (the article I saw came out maybe a decade ago?) because there is some suspicion that this is something that arises in humans sometimes, and they suspect that there are more pedophiles out there, ones who do not offend. I believe the GOP shouted it down; imagine if they’d been able to glean some ways to identify pedophiles and prevent them from victimizing children.

If they don't offend, there is nothing to prosecute. You can't prosecute people for having feelings.

They didn’t want to prosecute the people who had the feelings but didn’t act on them, they wanted to study them to see if they could figure out why some pedophiles offend and others did not.

As a research scientist, this is makes sense. The behaviors are only criminal when they are acted upon and are in the realm of mental disease when not acted upon. We MUST know more about this in order to treat patients and PREVENT crimes.

Last year in Germany, the government posted ads on bus stops for a help hotline for pedophilic urges. Countries are trying to solve the problem upstream.

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Anonymous wrote:The worst part of all this? Nothing is going to happen to him. He might get house arrest. But they will let him walk.

What are you talking about. He’s going to prison for a long time.

This. He thinks he's going to walk because his parents have enabled him his entire life by giving him a firm talking to and sending him to "Jesus Jail." They can't talk their buddy down at the station into making this go away like the last time. The Duggars aren't actually that famous or powerful.

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Anonymous wrote:He has to have done more than just "download" child porn. Disgusting yes, but not fed-worthy. At the very least he must have distributed, possibly made.

CP is basically always fed charges. He is charged w/ 2 counts: receipt and possession. It means they can prove exactly how he got it & that he had it (both probably via his hard drive). There are no charges related to production or distribution. You are completely wrong if you think feds don't go after CP possession when it lands in their lap.

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I wonder who turned him in.

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Anonymous wrote:How messed up a human has to be to enjoy Child Porn. Think about it. This is not sexuality. This is something so unnatural, inhuman and disgusting.

There were researchers who wanted to study pedophiles (the article I saw came out maybe a decade ago?) because there is some suspicion that this is something that arises in humans sometimes, and they suspect that there are more pedophiles out there, ones who do not offend. I believe the GOP shouted it down; imagine if they’d been able to glean some ways to identify pedophiles and prevent them from victimizing children.

If they don't offend, there is nothing to prosecute. You can't prosecute people for having feelings.

They didn’t want to prosecute the people who had the feelings but didn’t act on them, they wanted to study them to see if they could figure out why some pedophiles offend and others did not.

As a research scientist, this is makes sense. The behaviors are only criminal when they are acted upon and are in the realm of mental disease when not acted upon. We MUST know more about this in order to treat patients and PREVENT crimes.

Last year in Germany, the government posted ads on bus stops for a help hotline for pedophilic urges. Countries are trying to solve the problem upstream.

Yes, some countries have experimented with voluntary chemical castration for self-reporters and one-time low level offenders (usually like child-related peeping toms or flashers) in order to keep them from being able to offend in the worst ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was some kind of fund we could contribute to to get Anna some freedom. She depends on that family. She needs to be free. I can't imagine how she is feeling. It IS a cult and I cannot blame her one bit. Poor innocent 20-something thought she was marrying her "king" and look who it ended up being. Poor, poor woman.

When the Ashley Madison thing broke, Anna's brother offered to take her and the kids in. She declined the offer.

She could leave and chooses not to. The consequences of that are 100% on her.

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Anonymous wrote:Back when this family was being pimped out on TLC without any scandals, I tuned in occasionally. My husband said, "why do you watch this trash?" And I remember saying, "SOMETHING is going to drop. The most verbally pious among us are usually the most f*cked up behind closed doors, and I want to know the players when it happens."

If Anna doesn't Ease on Down the Road with her brood, Wiz style, after all this...then there's no hope for her. No one would blame you for leaving!

I have no respect for Anna staying with him, knowing his predatory behavior with girls. His own sisters.

Anna was raised to stand by her man. Sure they offered to get her away but, that you sometimes can't change your thinking overnight.

Why are we as a society harder on the spouse rather than the actual person who did the crime?

I’m not harsher on Anne. I have no respect for her. Josh is a POS.

+1. Agreed. I am not "harder" on her than him; he's the criminal. But at a certain point, when you continue to pump out kids to be potentially abused by a pedophile and refuse all offers of help, you lose sympathy. She's not worse than him, but she is complicit in his depravity.

Well, I have sympathy for her even though she made decisions I wouldn't do. then again I wasn't raised in a religious cult. Were you? If you had no freedom of thought ever I think you might be the same. So, yes I have sympathy to Anna.

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They are in a cult, brainwashed and taught a life that is completely different of our own. They are threatened with heaven and hell and that their eternal lives are on the line. I really hope she has a nagging voice that is telling her to get out, but she needs to find the courage and she needs HER family's support to leave. Here's where the cult mentality comes in- if she leaves him she also loses her own family.

Josh Duggar is a POS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder who turned him in.

No one, necessarily. DHS raided his car dealership in 2019. The CP is dated from May 2019 so they found it during that raid. Most likely that raid was connected to the fraud allegations at the dealership. There were some immigration-related rumors at the time too. My guess is that the CP discovery was incidental.

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Anonymous wrote:The family statement is...not really sugar coating things. So you've got to give them that. Wow.

They should be praying for victims of CSA, not for Josh and Anna.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was some kind of fund we could contribute to to get Anna some freedom. She depends on that family. She needs to be free. I can't imagine how she is feeling. It IS a cult and I cannot blame her one bit. Poor innocent 20-something thought she was marrying her "king" and look who it ended up being. Poor, poor woman.

No actually she should go to jail.

Do you not think he is not touching his own children? Give us a break he literally abused all his sisters. That kind of sub-human never changes. She knowingly has her own children around a sexual predator. Zero empathy for a mother who breeds children so her husband can have playthings. I don't care that she's in a cult.

Abuse doesn't always work like that. There's siblings in the same family where one was abused and the other wasn't.

And this is where I think Anna fell into the trap. She knew about his sister's but she rationalized it because they were all kids and his sister's had " forgiven " him.

The affairs were with adult women she seemed as trash and probably deserved it in her mind

I wouldn't be surprised if she kept Josh away from their kids but turned a blind eye to what he was doing on the internet

I agree. There are all sorts of rationalizations that brainwashed and vulnerable people make.

Posters are assuming the children in the home are being abused, when we have no evidence that they are. The judge made a protective decision, but no one knows whether something untoward happened in the home.
Anna has my sympathies. For the moment, until we know more, let's not believe she's an enabler.

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Anonymous wrote:He has to have done more than just "download" child porn. Disgusting yes, but not fed-worthy. At the very least he must have distributed, possibly made.

CP is basically always fed charges. He is charged w/ 2 counts: receipt and possession. It means they can prove exactly how he got it & that he had it (both probably via his hard drive). There are no charges related to production or distribution. You are completely wrong if you think feds don't go after CP possession when it lands in their lap.

This. My DH spent two years working Innocent Images. Josh is fu€Ked. Downloading child porn is absolutely criminal. The FBI takes child sex crimes very seriously. If he shared those images, it becomes even more serious.

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Anonymous wrote:He has to have done more than just "download" child porn. Disgusting yes, but not fed-worthy. At the very least he must have distributed, possibly made.

CP is basically always fed charges. He is charged w/ 2 counts: receipt and possession. It means they can prove exactly how he got it & that he had it (both probably via his hard drive). There are no charges related to production or distribution. You are completely wrong if you think feds don't go after CP possession when it lands in their lap.

My parents’ neighbor’s kid was caught with possession of child porn. It was handled at the district court. Guy is out living with his parents and working. He is on the offender list and that is it. Nothing more. It’s so sad. My parents are livid because now we always ALWAYS have to keep in an eye out for all of the grandkids when they visit.

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I think you can have sympathy for somebody and still say they need to be held accountable for their poor choices. I definitely have sympathy for Anna but many women overlook the abuse of their kids to protect their husbands if that was the case here, she is to blame as well.

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His behavior makes me ill but so does that of his parents. I get that it would be hard to accept what your child had done but instead of getting him the real help he obviously needed they sent him to that farm to work. Ummmm, it takes a bit more than that to tackle sex addiction.

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Anonymous wrote:He has to have done more than just "download" child porn. Disgusting yes, but not fed-worthy. At the very least he must have distributed, possibly made.

CP is basically always fed charges. He is charged w/ 2 counts: receipt and possession. It means they can prove exactly how he got it & that he had it (both probably via his hard drive). There are no charges related to production or distribution. You are completely wrong if you think feds don't go after CP possession when it lands in their lap.

My parents’ neighbor’s kid was caught with possession of child porn. It was handled at the district court. Guy is out living with his parents and working. He is on the offender list and that is it. Nothing more. It’s so sad. My parents are livid because now we always ALWAYS have to keep in an eye out for all of the grandkids when they visit.

The severity of the punishment varies substantially based on which jurisdiction is prosecuting. Federal sentences are almost always much worse even if the crime is of similar severity.