‘Slow Streets’ is stupid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Cyclists don't actually have the same right to the roads. But, hey, good job with your white entitlement. (Do you think bicyclists have the same right to ride on the Beltway or I-95?)

At some point, it should come down to numbers. Hardly anyone in DC rides bikes. This sometimes seems not that different from setting up special protected lanes reserved only for people on roller skates.

Why do you think DC bicyclists are generally white? You seem like you’re unable to see the vast majority of people riding bikes in DC. Try opening your eyes while driving (and put down your phone).

Ha. Tell me you're white without telling me you're white. Bike lanes are the ultimate entitled white people issue.

And dying on unsafe streets is what happens outside of white neighborhoods with bike lanes. The data is available if you care. Why shouldn’t everyone have safe bike infrastructure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Actually roads are paid for with the gas tax. So, no, you aren't paying for the roads.

What % of DC road maintenance costs are paid for by gas taxes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Cyclists don't actually have the same right to the roads. But, hey, good job with your white entitlement. (Do you think bicyclists have the same right to ride on the Beltway or I-95?)

At some point, it should come down to numbers. Hardly anyone in DC rides bikes. This sometimes seems not that different from setting up special protected lanes reserved only for people on roller skates.

Actually, if you knew the law, then you would know that 1) cyclists are prohibited from interstate highways, ie 495 and 95 (the Beltway) and 2) that yes, cyclists re entitled to take the road. Most of them choose out of courtesy to ride to the right, but they are not mandated to do that. Sad, you shouldn't have a drivers license if you don't know these things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Cyclists don't actually have the same right to the roads. But, hey, good job with your white entitlement. (Do you think bicyclists have the same right to ride on the Beltway or I-95?)

At some point, it should come down to numbers. Hardly anyone in DC rides bikes. This sometimes seems not that different from setting up special protected lanes reserved only for people on roller skates.

Why do you think DC bicyclists are generally white? You seem like you’re unable to see the vast majority of people riding bikes in DC. Try opening your eyes while driving (and put down your phone).

Ha. Tell me you're white without telling me you're white. Bike lanes are the ultimate entitled white people issue.

And dying on unsafe streets is what happens outside of white neighborhoods with bike lanes. The data is available if you care. Why shouldn’t everyone have safe bike infrastructure?

Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Actually roads are paid for with the gas tax. So, no, you aren't paying for the roads.

LOL, the gas tax stopped fully funding infrastructure 25 years ago. Nope, general funds and federal funds, paid for in part by cyclists who do not pay for gas.

https://www.forconstructionpros.com/asphalt/news/21092711/states-find-gas-tax-increases-still-not-paying-for-infrastructure-funding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

The only reason there are paved roads is that cyclists asked for them in the late 1800's, before there were even cars. You really have no idea what you are talking about, either historically, practically or fiscally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

The only reason there are paved roads is that cyclists asked for them in the late 1800's, before there were even cars. You really have no idea what you are talking about, either historically, practically or fiscally.

Go easy on them. They’re clearly having a hard time researching, texting, and posting here while driving. It’s not easy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

The only reason there are paved roads is that cyclists asked for them in the late 1800's, before there were even cars. You really have no idea what you are talking about, either historically, practically or fiscally.

Ok, this may be the single dumbest argument I've heard for bike lanes. Aside from being apocryphal history, it seems totally irrelevant. Even if it was true, um, so what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Cyclists don't actually have the same right to the roads. But, hey, good job with your white entitlement. (Do you think bicyclists have the same right to ride on the Beltway or I-95?)

At some point, it should come down to numbers. Hardly anyone in DC rides bikes. This sometimes seems not that different from setting up special protected lanes reserved only for people on roller skates.

This is a separate point, but I have actually since people bicycle along the Beltway on the shoulder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Cyclists don't actually have the same right to the roads. But, hey, good job with your white entitlement. (Do you think bicyclists have the same right to ride on the Beltway or I-95?)

At some point, it should come down to numbers. Hardly anyone in DC rides bikes. This sometimes seems not that different from setting up special protected lanes reserved only for people on roller skates.

This is a separate point, but I have actually since people bicycle along the Beltway on the shoulder.

Moments before vultures were eating their carcasses?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Cyclists don't actually have the same right to the roads. But, hey, good job with your white entitlement. (Do you think bicyclists have the same right to ride on the Beltway or I-95?)

At some point, it should come down to numbers. Hardly anyone in DC rides bikes. This sometimes seems not that different from setting up special protected lanes reserved only for people on roller skates.

This is a separate point, but I have actually since people bicycle along the Beltway on the shoulder.

And I’ve seen people driving on the Metropolitan Branch Trail. One is a threat to themselves. The other is a threat to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

By that logic, we should never build a bridge because who is driving across the water? No one! Useless!

For one, your estimates are quite low, and biased, which undercuts everything you say. And second, you have no idea how many people would bike if it were safer. I’ve talked to quite a few of those (including my primary care doctor).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The bike lanes are well used, and the more there are, the safer novice cyclists feel to use them. It becomes a domino effect. Go look at pictures of Amsterdam from the early 1970's and compare them to today.

If you build it, they will come.

Most people don't ride bicycles because, aside from being completely impractical for most, it is also *extremely* dangerous.

If only there were safe places to ride, marked with paint, separated by concrete and without 2000 pound cars in them. Hmmm, let me think on that.

Bicyclists in DC are a lot like the NRA. They are an extreme minority who uses our awful government, with its attentiveness to special interest groups, to foist their unpopular opinions on everyone else. So glad we can dedicate so many resources to the 40 people in DC who ride bikes every day.

+1

And then when bicyclists DO get their bike lanes, they’re clogging up Chain Bridge Rd, 123, and 14th St instead of using the bike lanes they scream about.

The cyclists are taxpayer who have every right to use the road as you do. In fact, their bikes do not wear down the asphalt as much as your car does. They are not taking "your" parking spot and they are not spewing CO2 into the air.

You should be thanking their lycra a$$es.

Actually roads are paid for with the gas tax. So, no, you aren't paying for the roads.

LOL, the gas tax stopped fully funding infrastructure 25 years ago. Nope, general funds and federal funds, paid for in part by cyclists who do not pay for gas.

https://www.forconstructionpros.com/asphalt/news/21092711/states-find-gas-tax-increases-still-not-paying-for-infrastructure-funding

It's true that the gas tax hasn't kept pace with inflation, and that the government has had to periodically cover highway trust fund shortfalls with general tax revenues, but that doesnt change the fact that road maintenance in this country is still largely financed by the gas tax.