‘Slow Streets’ is stupid

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

The problem is confirmation bias. All of these people ride the CCT to work, which does get crowded, so they just assume that there are “tens of thousands” of people just like them. But it’s just not true.

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

The problem is confirmation bias. All of these people ride the CCT to work, which does get crowded, so they just assume that there are “tens of thousands” of people just like them. But it’s just not true.

In 2017 there were about 13,000 bike commuters in DC. DC regularly ranks quite high in bike commuting %ages for largish cities.

https://wtop.com/local/2017/05/many-people-really-bike-work-around-dc-surprising-stats/

[Anonymous]

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

If you looked at street corners on streets with protected bike lanes, you might, since the bikes on 15th Street can move faster than the cars can during rush hour.

[Anonymous]

So far, 3 Ward 3 ANCs have voted for bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue.

Across the three, the aggregate vote is 19 for, 1 opposed and 1 abstained.

The Councilmember in whose ward this resides, is also chair of the Transportation committee. Given the Biden Administration is allocating infrastructure money for just this very purpose, I am hopeful we will see a re-imagined corridor in short order.

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

[Anonymous]

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

[Anonymous]

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

[Anonymous]

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

Yes if you saw how everyone commuted you would know how everyone commuted. Or you could take an appropriate sample and....

But do you really think 5% bike commuters means wherever you go 1 out 20 people will be on a bike?

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

Yes if you saw how everyone commuted you would know how everyone commuted. Or you could take an appropriate sample and....

But do you really think 5% bike commuters means wherever you go 1 out 20 people will be on a bike?

Obviously, we're talking about averages so things will vary. But I don't think there's any street anywhere in DC, at any time of day, that you would observe five bicyclists out of every 100 people. I think it would be more like one bicyclist out of every two or three thousand people. Which of course means that if the five percent statistic isn't BS, you would have to see much more than five percent on bikes elsewhere in the city to make the math work out.

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

Yes if you saw how everyone commuted you would know how everyone commuted. Or you could take an appropriate sample and....

But do you really think 5% bike commuters means wherever you go 1 out 20 people will be on a bike?

Obviously, we're talking about averages so things will vary. But I don't think there's any street anywhere in DC, at any time of day, that you would observe five bicyclists out of every 100 people. I think it would be more like one bicyclist out of every two or three thousand people. Which of course means that if the five percent statistic isn't BS, you would have to see much more than five percent on bikes elsewhere in the city to make the math work out.

Things will vary even if there are random samples, which you aren't doing. Number one, you're going on a street. That already is taking out transit commuters. Many walkers too. The bolded part I agree with. You probably have no idea why. As your next sentence shows.

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

Yes if you saw how everyone commuted you would know how everyone commuted. Or you could take an appropriate sample and....

But do you really think 5% bike commuters means wherever you go 1 out 20 people will be on a bike?

Obviously, we're talking about averages so things will vary. But I don't think there's any street anywhere in DC, at any time of day, that you would observe five bicyclists out of every 100 people. I think it would be more like one bicyclist out of every two or three thousand people. Which of course means that if the five percent statistic isn't BS, you would have to see much more than five percent on bikes elsewhere in the city to make the math work out.

Things will vary even if there are random samples, which you aren't doing. Number one, you're going on a street. That already is taking out transit commuters. Many walkers too. The bolded part I agree with. You probably have no idea why. As your next sentence shows.

Except I'm letting you pick the location -- any single spot in DC, at any time of the day. You will pick the one most likely to have bicyclists there, and I'm saying even there, in your best case scenario, you will not be able to produce five percent on bikes. Which means your five percent average for the rest of the city is impossible.

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

Yes if you saw how everyone commuted you would know how everyone commuted. Or you could take an appropriate sample and....

But do you really think 5% bike commuters means wherever you go 1 out 20 people will be on a bike?

Obviously, we're talking about averages so things will vary. But I don't think there's any street anywhere in DC, at any time of day, that you would observe five bicyclists out of every 100 people. I think it would be more like one bicyclist out of every two or three thousand people. Which of course means that if the five percent statistic isn't BS, you would have to see much more than five percent on bikes elsewhere in the city to make the math work out.

Things will vary even if there are random samples, which you aren't doing. Number one, you're going on a street. That already is taking out transit commuters. Many walkers too. The bolded part I agree with. You probably have no idea why. As your next sentence shows.

Except I'm letting you pick the location -- any single spot in DC, at any time of the day. You will pick the one most likely to have bicyclists there, and I'm saying even there, in your best case scenario, you will not be able to produce five percent on bikes. Which means your five percent average for the rest of the city is impossible.

I agreed with your bolded part. There is not going to be a street location that does that.

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The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

It seems pretty apparent to me and my anecdotal eyes.

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Your white entitlement is showing.

The issue here is that riding a bike on DC streets is extremely dangerous and it's not up to everyone else to ensure that this extremely dangerous thing you and a tiny number of your friends want to do doesn't get you killed.

If you dont want brain damage, don't become a boxer. And if you don't want to become road kill, stay off DC streets.

No, the issue here is that "transportation" covers a lot of different modes, including bikes. And as such, when we have limited space for transportation, then there needs to be enough space for those different modes to use that space in a rational and safe manner. Dedicating all of that space to cars makes it harder for buses, pedestrians, scooters and bikes. Since buses carry more people than cars, they should be prioritized. Since neither pedestrians nor cyclists generate exhaust fumes or much wear and tear, they should be prioritized.

Sorry, the single occupancy vehicle will sill have some space, but not as much as it did in the 1950's. It just isn't rational or efficient. The Europeans and Asians learned this a few decades ago. It is about time the Americans caught on.

The craziest thing about all of this is that hardly anyone in DC even rides bikes. How many people ride their bicycles ever day? 250? 500? Let's be extremely generous and call it 1,000. There are 350,000 cars registered in DC. There's surely tens of thousands more than aren't registered. Roads should be reserved for cars since that's how the overwhelmingly majority of people in Washington choose to travel.

In 2018 about 5% of DC commuters were bike commuters.

Your own eyes will tell you that's a big overestimate.

Seems about accurate to me on average.

Pfft. There is no street corner anywhere in DC where, if you stood there and counted the people going by via all forms of transportation, from foot to car, that five out of 100 would be on a bike. You'd be lucky if you saw two out of every 100 people on a bike.

Standing on a street corner is not how you would study this. The number is from the American Community Survey from the Census bureau.

The American Community Survey is just that -- a survey, and people say all kinds of things in surveys. There is no way on Earth that five percent are on bikes. Believe your eyes. Go on any street you want, at any time of day -- your pick. Count up the people you see and how they are moving. The number of people on bikes is probably more like 0.5 percent to 1.5 percent.

You mean go on a street and run a survey? I see. You are very smart.

The American Community Survey is based on interviews. I know you're not going to believe this, but sometimes people say one thing and do another. If five percent of all commuters are actually on bikes that should be apparent when you go outside and look at people on the streets.

Yes if you saw how everyone commuted you would know how everyone commuted. Or you could take an appropriate sample and....

But do you really think 5% bike commuters means wherever you go 1 out 20 people will be on a bike?

Obviously, we're talking about averages so things will vary. But I don't think there's any street anywhere in DC, at any time of day, that you would observe five bicyclists out of every 100 people. I think it would be more like one bicyclist out of every two or three thousand people. Which of course means that if the five percent statistic isn't BS, you would have to see much more than five percent on bikes elsewhere in the city to make the math work out.

Things will vary even if there are random samples, which you aren't doing. Number one, you're going on a street. That already is taking out transit commuters. Many walkers too. The bolded part I agree with. You probably have no idea why. As your next sentence shows.

Except I'm letting you pick the location -- any single spot in DC, at any time of the day. You will pick the one most likely to have bicyclists there, and I'm saying even there, in your best case scenario, you will not be able to produce five percent on bikes. Which means your five percent average for the rest of the city is impossible.

DP. You really have no idea what you're talking about, dude. I guess if you commute to L'Enfant Plaza via 395 you might be surprised that lots of people bike to work, but go hang out at 15th and L during rush hour after people have returned to in-person work. There's far more than one cyclist for every 20 cars, and it's not even close.