Is Notre Dame screwing up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

Side comment:

No one is using this pandemic to try to sway votes before the election.

People who still support Trump after all his corruption and impeachment and treason and incessant Tweeting and nepotism and rambling and general ineptitude won't be convinced by anything pandemic related.

We have no reason to exaggerate the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An hour away in Ann Arbor, UMich has all the freshmen moving in this weekend, so clearly they're not worried. And it's not for football, since UMich already cancelled football. This campus Corona hysteria is just bored busybodies trying to whip up a non-story. None of these kids are in the hospital, nobody is dying. Give it a rest.

Stay tuned.....

I wouldn't say that uMich isn't worried. They have a lot of plans in the air, just as Notre Dame did. It remains to be seen what happens.

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2020/08/in-may-email-um-president-told-unc-officials-he-was-struggling-with-how-to-bring-back-30k-undergrads.html

A majority of UM students will begin moving in Aug. 24, according to UM’s housing website. About 70% of credit hours for undergraduates will be taken remotely, the university said, and everyone on campus will be required to wear masks, both indoors and outdoors.

Before returning to Ann Arbor, UM is asking its students to practice 14 days of “enhanced social distancing,” which many students feel will only work if everyone follows the policy.

University of Michigan students unsure if ‘enhanced social distancing’ requirement will be effective

The university has partnered with the Ann Arbor Police Department to help keep students safe from COVID-19 by enforcing a ban on large gatherings with small canvassing teams. UM has also opened a hotline to reduce the need for police being called as a first response to suspect violations, AAPD said.

Many have questions and concerns about UM’s plan, however. Multiple Ann Arbor City Council members raised concerns when the plan was presented at an Aug. 17 meeting, saying there was a lack of enforcement and prevention of exposure to the virus.

Ann Arbor City Council members question University of Michigan’s effort to prevent spread of coronavirus

UM professors have also said they have “no confidence” in the university’s plan to reopen and claim that it shows a “complete disregard for people’s well being.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An hour away in Ann Arbor, UMich has all the freshmen moving in this weekend, so clearly they're not worried. And it's not for football, since UMich already cancelled football. This campus Corona hysteria is just bored busybodies trying to whip up a non-story. None of these kids are in the hospital, nobody is dying. Give it a rest.

Stay tuned.....

I wouldn't say that uMich isn't worried. They have a lot of plans in the air, just as Notre Dame did. It remains to be seen what happens.

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2020/08/in-may-email-um-president-told-unc-officials-he-was-struggling-with-how-to-bring-back-30k-undergrads.html

A majority of UM students will begin moving in Aug. 24, according to UM’s housing website. About 70% of credit hours for undergraduates will be taken remotely, the university said, and everyone on campus will be required to wear masks, both indoors and outdoors.

Before returning to Ann Arbor, UM is asking its students to practice 14 days of “enhanced social distancing,” which many students feel will only work if everyone follows the policy.

University of Michigan students unsure if ‘enhanced social distancing’ requirement will be effective

The university has partnered with the Ann Arbor Police Department to help keep students safe from COVID-19 by enforcing a ban on large gatherings with small canvassing teams. UM has also opened a hotline to reduce the need for police being called as a first response to suspect violations, AAPD said.

Many have questions and concerns about UM’s plan, however. Multiple Ann Arbor City Council members raised concerns when the plan was presented at an Aug. 17 meeting, saying there was a lack of enforcement and prevention of exposure to the virus.

Ann Arbor City Council members question University of Michigan’s effort to prevent spread of coronavirus

UM professors have also said they have “no confidence” in the university’s plan to reopen and claim that it shows a “complete disregard for people’s well being.”

+1. Also Michigan State has gone 100% online.

[Anonymous]

This article from 2014 sets out very well why this pandemic might not be to manipulate the election purposely, but still why the risks are vastly overestimated by many:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/03/17/why-were-awful-at-assessing-risk/6530753/

The factors for overestimating risk track nearly perfectly for this pandemic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

it's a high profile school, and they appeared to have a good plan and the intent to hold all classes in person from the start. It was ambitious!

If they are able after two-four weeks to reopen the campus, I'll say well done. I'm not hoping for them to fail.

You need to move on from the idea that this illness is flu-like and most young adults have mild symptoms. That really isn't the concern. As we keep explaining, the concern in that the illness will spread to the community and hurt those at risk.

this is why I mentioned the faculty and staff and the absence of spread there thus far...is this not the real concern? Same with elementary/secondary/high schools everywhere...it is the older population that is concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article from 2014 sets out very well why this pandemic might not be to manipulate the election purposely, but still why the risks are vastly overestimated by many:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/03/17/why-were-awful-at-assessing-risk/6530753/

The factors for overestimating risk track nearly perfectly for this pandemic.

I don't know. I'm not going to read anything by the Motley Fool.

I look at countries with proper scientists in charge, like the European CDC, and watch how they are reacting to this pandemic. If we took it half as seriously as they did, I'd be thrilled. I think we are underreacting to the risk, not overreacting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

oh the Catholic with the persecution complex has arrived

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An hour away in Ann Arbor, UMich has all the freshmen moving in this weekend, so clearly they're not worried. And it's not for football, since UMich already cancelled football. This campus Corona hysteria is just bored busybodies trying to whip up a non-story. None of these kids are in the hospital, nobody is dying. Give it a rest.

Stay tuned.....

I wouldn't say that uMich isn't worried. They have a lot of plans in the air, just as Notre Dame did. It remains to be seen what happens.

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2020/08/in-may-email-um-president-told-unc-officials-he-was-struggling-with-how-to-bring-back-30k-undergrads.html

A majority of UM students will begin moving in Aug. 24, according to UM’s housing website. About 70% of credit hours for undergraduates will be taken remotely, the university said, and everyone on campus will be required to wear masks, both indoors and outdoors.

Before returning to Ann Arbor, UM is asking its students to practice 14 days of “enhanced social distancing,” which many students feel will only work if everyone follows the policy.

University of Michigan students unsure if ‘enhanced social distancing’ requirement will be effective

The university has partnered with the Ann Arbor Police Department to help keep students safe from COVID-19 by enforcing a ban on large gatherings with small canvassing teams. UM has also opened a hotline to reduce the need for police being called as a first response to suspect violations, AAPD said.

Many have questions and concerns about UM’s plan, however. Multiple Ann Arbor City Council members raised concerns when the plan was presented at an Aug. 17 meeting, saying there was a lack of enforcement and prevention of exposure to the virus.

Ann Arbor City Council members question University of Michigan’s effort to prevent spread of coronavirus

UM professors have also said they have “no confidence” in the university’s plan to reopen and claim that it shows a “complete disregard for people’s well being.”

Stay tuned to what? You're just fear-mongering. UMich social media is spamming move-in excitement all week. They're not canceling move-in. It's happening and there's nothing to worry about. This virus is sooooo dangerous you have to force college kids to take a test to know they have it. All the risk is elderly, almost entirely in senior care facilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An hour away in Ann Arbor, UMich has all the freshmen moving in this weekend, so clearly they're not worried. And it's not for football, since UMich already cancelled football. This campus Corona hysteria is just bored busybodies trying to whip up a non-story. None of these kids are in the hospital, nobody is dying. Give it a rest.

OOO. Carnack here? Do you know the future? More importantly do you have a kid in college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

No, I'm a parent who cares more about your kids than you do. Sending young kids off to this school and not offer the option of distance learning is outrageous. I do not want ND to fail. I want ND to keep their students and faculty safe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

Hmm. You may not realize ND doesn't have the cachet it once had and doesn't have top tier students. I am anti Trump though and so are a good number of ND parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

Hmm. You may not realize ND doesn't have the cachet it once had and doesn't have top tier students. I am anti Trump though and so are a good number of ND parents.

This is the same poster from the UVA vs NU thread. I bet all my Clorox wipes on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

Hmm. You may not realize ND doesn't have the cachet it once had and doesn't have top tier students. I am anti Trump though and so are a good number of ND parents.

Umm...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

Hmm. You may not realize ND doesn't have the cachet it once had and doesn't have top tier students. I am anti Trump though and so are a good number of ND parents.

This is the same poster from the UVA vs NU thread. I bet all my Clorox wipes on it.

Nope. I've never posted in any of the "this is why college a is terrible" posts. I have avoided the college forums until this semester. They aren't interesting even if they are about my kid's school. The virus concerns me.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most colleges will close in a month, even those with testing. It is a highly contagious disease. I'll still send my dd back this weekend as the odds are good for her age. Even with an outbreak, I'd rather see her educated. Honestly, after it rips through campus, there should be herd immunity. If there isn't, no vaccine will work and colleges will be online for years.

Will she be? Both of my kids say the quality is horrible. As one very sage young student at Northeastern said ""If you think about it, on-line university is just like a premium version of Devry."