Is Notre Dame screwing up?

[Anonymous]

I think most colleges will close in a month, even those with testing. It is a highly contagious disease. I'll still send my dd back this weekend as the odds are good for her age. Even with an outbreak, I'd rather see her educated. Honestly, after it rips through campus, there should be herd immunity. If there isn't, no vaccine will work and colleges will be online for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/notredame/comments/idqczz/people_are_legitimately_going_crazy_if_you_havent/

People are legitimately going crazy. If you haven't figured it out yet, we ARE going home.

This is f-ing ridiculous. I was sitting outside in the grass today having just finished eating with the very few people I hang out with these days, our masks were off as we were sipping some water sitting six feet apart (trying to enjoy the last days on campus we more than likely have left as seniors) and a random freshmen girl comes up to us and tells us that if we're done eating we should go back to our rooms. After we say were almost done and don't move, she proceeds to take a god damn picture of us and tell's us she's reporting us for not socially distancing properly?! It's ridiculous that ND has given some sort of power tripping-complex to students, making them think that its the student's fault for letting COVID spread and that it's their duty to snitch on people not following "guidelines."

The Dome has created fear and hostility amongst the student body and instituted a remote learning environment no different than an experience we could have enjoyed from the safety of our own homes. They have actually made some of us think it's our fault. Even without off-campus parties, this shit was bound to happen... entire floors of residence halls have been pseudo quarantined already if u haven't heard. We all f-ing shower, shit, and spit in the same bathrooms; we all live TOGETHER. Doesn't take a biology major to know this was bound to happen, parties or not. They then have the audacity to point to the student body and say WE "need to do better" when they could barely feed their own students put in isolation!? I love ND and I know there are a lot of people just doing their best, but this is embarrassing. Obviously, this is an unprecedented situation but the Dome brought this upon themselves as soon as they forced students to return and offered no remote learning options.

At this point, I question why they even lie to us. They expect students to look forward to sitting in their rooms all day just so we can have the chance to occasionally go to in-person classes where we sit 6 feet apart and not socialize with anyone? That's our f-ing reward for sitting in our rooms for two weeks, just so we can risk it all happening again. F no. If you haven't caught on by now, ND is "surveillance testing" not so we can go back to in-person classes, but so they can send us home without looking entirely irresponsible. "uR cLEan, gO HoMe pLz" <- that'll be the message in 1-2 weeks. Guarantee people who test negative will be encouraged to get off campus as soon as possible. The story now is just a cover so people don't start panicking/trying to move off early.

Yeah, this is a f-ing rant, but ND literally killed any semblance of a fun or at least comfortable senior year for me. Just let me have this.

Reminds me of the Hitler youth or the Soviets. Report, report, report. Honestly people. Get off the edge. For this age group. The risks are low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/notredame/comments/idqczz/people_are_legitimately_going_crazy_if_you_havent/

People are legitimately going crazy. If you haven't figured it out yet, we ARE going home.

This is f-ing ridiculous. I was sitting outside in the grass today having just finished eating with the very few people I hang out with these days, our masks were off as we were sipping some water sitting six feet apart (trying to enjoy the last days on campus we more than likely have left as seniors) and a random freshmen girl comes up to us and tells us that if we're done eating we should go back to our rooms. After we say were almost done and don't move, she proceeds to take a god damn picture of us and tell's us she's reporting us for not socially distancing properly?! It's ridiculous that ND has given some sort of power tripping-complex to students, making them think that its the student's fault for letting COVID spread and that it's their duty to snitch on people not following "guidelines."

The Dome has created fear and hostility amongst the student body and instituted a remote learning environment no different than an experience we could have enjoyed from the safety of our own homes. They have actually made some of us think it's our fault. Even without off-campus parties, this shit was bound to happen... entire floors of residence halls have been pseudo quarantined already if u haven't heard. We all f-ing shower, shit, and spit in the same bathrooms; we all live TOGETHER. Doesn't take a biology major to know this was bound to happen, parties or not. They then have the audacity to point to the student body and say WE "need to do better" when they could barely feed their own students put in isolation!? I love ND and I know there are a lot of people just doing their best, but this is embarrassing. Obviously, this is an unprecedented situation but the Dome brought this upon themselves as soon as they forced students to return and offered no remote learning options.

At this point, I question why they even lie to us. They expect students to look forward to sitting in their rooms all day just so we can have the chance to occasionally go to in-person classes where we sit 6 feet apart and not socialize with anyone? That's our f-ing reward for sitting in our rooms for two weeks, just so we can risk it all happening again. F no. If you haven't caught on by now, ND is "surveillance testing" not so we can go back to in-person classes, but so they can send us home without looking entirely irresponsible. "uR cLEan, gO HoMe pLz" <- that'll be the message in 1-2 weeks. Guarantee people who test negative will be encouraged to get off campus as soon as possible. The story now is just a cover so people don't start panicking/trying to move off early.

Yeah, this is a f-ing rant, but ND literally killed any semblance of a fun or at least comfortable senior year for me. Just let me have this.

Reminds me of the Hitler youth or the Soviets. Report, report, report. Honestly people. Get off the edge. For this age group. The risks are low.

You keep forgetting that "this age group" is not living in a bubble.

[Anonymous]

According to the dashboard, the numbers of COVID cases keep rising, even though the number of tests keep decreasing. This does not bode well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is flattening the curve. Today only 22 cases and positivity of 9% (down from 16% the previous day--which also included testing the football team). These numbers do not include any surveillance testing (which begins today), so that positivity should improve if students can keep it locked down over the weekend.

There is hope on campus. Here is a message from campus leadership and the health department to students this afternoon. Love the positivity. Go Irish. Beat COVID.

It's great is spread is dropping, but aren't students basically confined to dorms right now and not socializing at all, eating meals in their rooms?

If that's what it takes to keep COVID from spreading on campus, are they going to have to continue like that the rest of the semester?

Who knows but a lot of kids would rather be doing that than be at home. It would be great to see them successful in turning it around.

They aren’t going to turn it around. Think of it as the US. As soon as they try to start again after the 14 days, cases will start to rise again. I would love for it to work, but these are college kids and success is dependent on human behavior.

+ 1

Maybe they can limit the spread and contain the virus, but the price will be a continued locked-down life on campus.

Or they can send them home for an unsatisfying year of distance learning.

There aren't any good options, folks. It's just that some bad options are less deadly than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the dashboard, the numbers of COVID cases keep rising, even though the number of tests keep decreasing. This does not bode well.

No. The numbers are relatively flat now. The curve is being flattened. Good job ND.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A group of seniors let a random freshman girl bully them? Sounds made up.

Why? A photo of a group sitting together "socializing" could be incriminating right now. The fact that she was a freshman doesn't matter. It's the photo that matters.

nah I know reddit BS when I see it. That's typical fan fiction tier crap.

[Anonymous]

An hour away in Ann Arbor, UMich has all the freshmen moving in this weekend, so clearly they're not worried. And it's not for football, since UMich already cancelled football. This campus Corona hysteria is just bored busybodies trying to whip up a non-story. None of these kids are in the hospital, nobody is dying. Give it a rest.

[Anonymous]

I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

I don't see anyone rooting for anyone to fail; just a lot of reasonable concern for the health and well-being of the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the dashboard, the numbers of COVID cases keep rising, even though the number of tests keep decreasing. This does not bode well.

No. The numbers are relatively flat now. The curve is being flattened. Good job ND.

Good job?

From a public health professional: I would say, No praise is in order.

(And this post comes from someone who was raised catholic and went to catholic school, before you go down that path)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Pioneering experiment?????

Sorry but in the United States, human subjects who take part in medical experiments have to give consent. And they sign a form with the risks and benefits in advance, not a release saying they won't sue the experimenter.

ND did not give students an option about whether they wanted the learn from the safety of their homes or on campus.

Why should we have to "pray" that our kids survive the semester?

My niece has COVID right now. She has had about 8 symptoms, for more than a week: including fever (with no break), chest pain when she breathes, nausea, cough, sore throat, etc etc. So far she has felt WORSE each day.

Her medical care happens over the phone, to keep providers safe. If she was in college right now, there is NO way should could be learning/studying/doing assignments, etc.

You people just think you can wish this away with "hopes and prayers." Ignorance is bliss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

Anti-Catholics and atheists, parents with dim kids at middling diploma mills, and safe bet lots of anti-Trump folks who just want everything to implode leading up to the general election.

I fall in all of those categories!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot help but ask why so many people are rooting for ND to fail. If they can contain this...if the illness continues to be flu-like for those affected (as data is showing...mild symptoms lasting 3-5 days)...if the staff and faculty (who are at most risk, yet the best at mitigating risk) are thus far holding strong...if this pioneering experiment is helping to teach peer colleges what and what not to do...why are we not hoping and praying this attempt proves eventually successful?

it's a high profile school, and they appeared to have a good plan and the intent to hold all classes in person from the start. It was ambitious!

If they are able after two-four weeks to reopen the campus, I'll say well done. I'm not hoping for them to fail.

You need to move on from the idea that this illness is flu-like and most young adults have mild symptoms. That really isn't the concern. As we keep explaining, the concern in that the illness will spread to the community and hurt those at risk.