Why is DJT so obsessed with pushing hydroxychloroquine?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump. Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors

Lame attempt to rewrite history.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump. Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors

Lame attempt to rewrite history.


That was the major point of every discussion re: this drug. I know your media wasn't telling you this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump. Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors

Lame attempt to rewrite history.


That was the major point of every discussion re: this drug. I know your media wasn't telling you this.

No it was not. Your media was telling us it was a miracle drug that evil liberals were conspiring against to prevent Trump from looking good.
Anonymous
No. Trump was pushing a cure. He had a cure, so no need to worry. Don’t stop working. Don’t stop buying. Don’t stop that economy. Let’s get out there by Easter, because we have a cure.
I hate Trump, but I love my family more than I despise him. I want that to be true. I want to visit my parents, and take vacations. I want school to be open.
But I need proof. I want guarantees, not promises. I want to see trials. I want to know a therapy is proven, and widely available. I really hope that happens soon. I’ve read it’s possible to be in place by late summer. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.
but I don’t want snake oil. Trump was out peddling false hope.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that . Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


If "pushing it," you mean having people speak who claim that HQX was the remedy that caused their recovery - that is actually news.
Just like others are touting the success of Remdesivir.
And, who claimed that "clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump?"


dude we ALL saw this happening in real time here. There is no backing away from what happened. On the one side, we had people saying “we don’t know until clinical trials.” On the other hand, you had “Fire Fauci!” and Laura Ingragam claiming Democrats want to kill people, and Trump setting off a hoarding panic that meant lupus patients couldn’t get their meds.

you can’t back pedal now, no matter how hard you try.

The BARDA Director has filed a whistleblower complaint about this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/22/rick-bright-barda-director-claims-political-retali/


Sounds like there is much more to this story.

Politico....



Anyone who disagrees with Trump is guilt of “incompetence and insubordination” in his mind. This just backs it up. He probably told Trump the truth back in January about something else, and Trump has wanted him gone ever since.


also ... if you read the ENTIRE twitter thread (instead of the one tweet you selectively posted) you see that the reporter makes extremely clear that numerous sources have reported being pressured by the Trump Admin on hydroxychloroquine, and that the sources now making claims about Bright are all inside the Trump Admin. https://threader.app/thread/1253061054659248129


If you read the article, you will find this....

Bright told The New York Times on Wednesday that he believed his removal was because of his internal opposition to pursuing investments in malaria drugs as potential treatments for Covid-19, which President Donald Trump has touted without scientific evidence. Three people with knowledge of HHS' recent acquisition of tens of millions of doses of those drugs said that Bright had supported those acquisitions in internal communications, with one official saying that Bright praised the move as a win for the health department as part of an email exchange that was first reported by Reuters last week, although Bright's message was not publicly reported.

"If Bright opposed hydroxychloroquine, he certainly didn't make that clear from his email — quite the opposite," said the official, who has seen copies of the email exchanges.

In a statement late Wednesday, an HHS official directly linked Bright's decisions to the health department's acquisition of the malaria drugs.

"As it relates to chloroquine, it was Dr. Bright who requested an Emergency Use Authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for donations of chloroquine that Bayer and Sandoz recently made to the Strategic National Stockpile for use on COVID-19 patients," spokesperson Caitlin Oakley said. "The EUA is what made the donated product available for use in combating COVID-19."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump. Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors

Lame attempt to rewrite history.


That was the major point of every discussion re: this drug. I know your media wasn't telling you this.


The media? When the president takes over the air waves for 2 hours every single day to spew his verbal diarrhea, we don’t really have to rely on the media to tell us what he is saying. We heard him. He said “take it.” “It’s not gonna hurt you.” “You’ve got nothing to lose.”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No. Trump was pushing a cure. He had a cure, so no need to worry. Don’t stop working. Don’t stop buying. Don’t stop that economy. Let’s get out there by Easter, because we have a cure.
I hate Trump, but I love my family more than I despise him. I want that to be true. I want to visit my parents, and take vacations. I want school to be open.
But I need proof. I want guarantees, not promises. I want to see trials. I want to know a therapy is proven, and widely available. I really hope that happens soon. I’ve read it’s possible to be in place by late summer. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.
but I don’t want snake oil. Trump was out peddling false hope.

The Yam is a long time snake oil salesman.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump. Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors

Lame attempt to rewrite history.


That was the major point of every discussion re: this drug. I know your media wasn't telling you this.


The media? When the president takes over the air waves for 2 hours every single day to spew his verbal diarrhea, we don’t really have to rely on the media to tell us what he is saying. We heard him. He said “take it.” “It’s not gonna hurt you.” “You’ve got nothing to lose.”


+1

It clearly came straight from his face sphincter.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors


Wrong. There is plenty of video of Fox personalities and the President saying exactly what they said. There is simply no justification for trying to interpret, water down or add "context" to what they all said. Why do you think it is appropriate to enable the hucksterism? We can all see and hear what was said with our own eyes and ears. There was NEVER a caveat about doctor consultation as part of the sell.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors


Wrong. There is plenty of video of Fox personalities and the President saying exactly what they said. There is simply no justification for trying to interpret, water down or add "context" to what they all said. Why do you think it is appropriate to enable the hucksterism? We can all see and hear what was said with our own eyes and ears. There was NEVER a caveat about doctor consultation as part of the sell.


+1

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What Trump and Fox were 'pushing' was the concept that the decision to try this drug combination belongs with patient and doctor, NOT with governors


Wrong. There is plenty of video of Fox personalities and the President saying exactly what they said. There is simply no justification for trying to interpret, water down or add "context" to what they all said. Why do you think it is appropriate to enable the hucksterism? We can all see and hear what was said with our own eyes and ears. There was NEVER a caveat about doctor consultation as part of the sell.


+1



Yep. The governor thing came AFTER the hyping. First came the hyping, then the hoarding, then the need for governors to prevent shortages and ODs, and then the claims that governors "want people to die."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that . Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


If "pushing it," you mean having people speak who claim that HQX was the remedy that caused their recovery - that is actually news.
Just like others are touting the success of Remdesivir.
And, who claimed that "clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump?"


dude we ALL saw this happening in real time here. There is no backing away from what happened. On the one side, we had people saying “we don’t know until clinical trials.” On the other hand, you had “Fire Fauci!” and Laura Ingragam claiming Democrats want to kill people, and Trump setting off a hoarding panic that meant lupus patients couldn’t get their meds.

you can’t back pedal now, no matter how hard you try.

The BARDA Director has filed a whistleblower complaint about this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/22/rick-bright-barda-director-claims-political-retali/


Sounds like there is much more to this story.

Politico....



Anyone who disagrees with Trump is guilt of “incompetence and insubordination” in his mind. This just backs it up. He probably told Trump the truth back in January about something else, and Trump has wanted him gone ever since.


also ... if you read the ENTIRE twitter thread (instead of the one tweet you selectively posted) you see that the reporter makes extremely clear that numerous sources have reported being pressured by the Trump Admin on hydroxychloroquine, and that the sources now making claims about Bright are all inside the Trump Admin. https://threader.app/thread/1253061054659248129


If you read the article, you will find this....

Bright told The New York Times on Wednesday that he believed his removal was because of his internal opposition to pursuing investments in malaria drugs as potential treatments for Covid-19, which President Donald Trump has touted without scientific evidence. Three people with knowledge of HHS' recent acquisition of tens of millions of doses of those drugs said that Bright had supported those acquisitions in internal communications, with one official saying that Bright praised the move as a win for the health department as part of an email exchange that was first reported by Reuters last week, although Bright's message was not publicly reported.

"If Bright opposed hydroxychloroquine, he certainly didn't make that clear from his email — quite the opposite," said the official, who has seen copies of the email exchanges.

In a statement late Wednesday, an HHS official directly linked Bright's decisions to the health department's acquisition of the malaria drugs.

"As it relates to chloroquine, it was Dr. Bright who requested an Emergency Use Authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for donations of chloroquine that Bayer and Sandoz recently made to the Strategic National Stockpile for use on COVID-19 patients," spokesperson Caitlin Oakley said. "The EUA is what made the donated product available for use in combating COVID-19."


The selection of hydroxychloroquine as a possible candidate was not made solely because of the French trial results. The nature of the COVID-19 viral illness destroyed blood cells and produced coagulapathies, inflammation, and cytokine storm very similar to lupus. As a medical person who has been dealing with drug shortages for the past ten years - most recently this year with the shortage of IgG ( look up the conditions who suffered as a result - devastating people with ALS, neurological degenerative diseases, etc) AMONG MANY OTHER SHORTAGES, it was reasonable to obtain supply before full results were out. On the other hand, I can see the outrage if this drug were not obtainable - “TRUMP DIDN’T ACT SOON ENOUGH TO OBTAin LIFE SAVING DRUG....BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.” And all the accompanying hysteria. You can slam him both ways, but you look stupid doing it.

At this time, there are no specific therapeutics approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat people with COVID-19, hospitals doctors and scientist have understood this, in spite of the lay people trying to make Trump’s statements more than they are. If you would like an excellent review of current treatment studies, I encourage you to follow this link to see what hospitals, doctors and researchers are actually doing, rather than using hype to guide your emotions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that . Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


If "pushing it," you mean having people speak who claim that HQX was the remedy that caused their recovery - that is actually news.
Just like others are touting the success of Remdesivir.
And, who claimed that "clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump?"


dude we ALL saw this happening in real time here. There is no backing away from what happened. On the one side, we had people saying “we don’t know until clinical trials.” On the other hand, you had “Fire Fauci!” and Laura Ingragam claiming Democrats want to kill people, and Trump setting off a hoarding panic that meant lupus patients couldn’t get their meds.

you can’t back pedal now, no matter how hard you try.

The BARDA Director has filed a whistleblower complaint about this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/22/rick-bright-barda-director-claims-political-retali/


Sounds like there is much more to this story.

Politico....



Anyone who disagrees with Trump is guilt of “incompetence and insubordination” in his mind. This just backs it up. He probably told Trump the truth back in January about something else, and Trump has wanted him gone ever since.


also ... if you read the ENTIRE twitter thread (instead of the one tweet you selectively posted) you see that the reporter makes extremely clear that numerous sources have reported being pressured by the Trump Admin on hydroxychloroquine, and that the sources now making claims about Bright are all inside the Trump Admin. https://threader.app/thread/1253061054659248129


If you read the article, you will find this....

Bright told The New York Times on Wednesday that he believed his removal was because of his internal opposition to pursuing investments in malaria drugs as potential treatments for Covid-19, which President Donald Trump has touted without scientific evidence. Three people with knowledge of HHS' recent acquisition of tens of millions of doses of those drugs said that Bright had supported those acquisitions in internal communications, with one official saying that Bright praised the move as a win for the health department as part of an email exchange that was first reported by Reuters last week, although Bright's message was not publicly reported.

"If Bright opposed hydroxychloroquine, he certainly didn't make that clear from his email — quite the opposite," said the official, who has seen copies of the email exchanges.

In a statement late Wednesday, an HHS official directly linked Bright's decisions to the health department's acquisition of the malaria drugs.

"As it relates to chloroquine, it was Dr. Bright who requested an Emergency Use Authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for donations of chloroquine that Bayer and Sandoz recently made to the Strategic National Stockpile for use on COVID-19 patients," spokesperson Caitlin Oakley said. "The EUA is what made the donated product available for use in combating COVID-19."


The selection of hydroxychloroquine as a possible candidate was not made solely because of the French trial results. The nature of the COVID-19 viral illness destroyed blood cells and produced coagulapathies, inflammation, and cytokine storm very similar to lupus. As a medical person who has been dealing with drug shortages for the past ten years - most recently this year with the shortage of IgG ( look up the conditions who suffered as a result - devastating people with ALS, neurological degenerative diseases, etc) AMONG MANY OTHER SHORTAGES, it was reasonable to obtain supply before full results were out. On the other hand, I can see the outrage if this drug were not obtainable - “TRUMP DIDN’T ACT SOON ENOUGH TO OBTAin LIFE SAVING DRUG....BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.” And all the accompanying hysteria. You can slam him both ways, but you look stupid doing it.

At this time, there are no specific therapeutics approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat people with COVID-19, hospitals doctors and scientist have understood this, in spite of the lay people trying to make Trump’s statements more than they are. If you would like an excellent review of current treatment studies, I encourage you to follow this link to see what hospitals, doctors and researchers are actually doing, rather than using hype to guide your emotions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/



Awwww it's so, so hard to be the most powerful person on earth. Won't someone think of lil' Donald's feelings?

Maybe he should stop hyping drugs until the scientists and doctors make a break-thru? He comes across as an untrustworthy, ill-informed moron AT BEST.

When did Presidents become such whiny p#ssies? Legit question.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turns out, it makes things worse

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that . Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


If "pushing it," you mean having people speak who claim that HQX was the remedy that caused their recovery - that is actually news.
Just like others are touting the success of Remdesivir.
And, who claimed that "clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump?"


dude we ALL saw this happening in real time here. There is no backing away from what happened. On the one side, we had people saying “we don’t know until clinical trials.” On the other hand, you had “Fire Fauci!” and Laura Ingragam claiming Democrats want to kill people, and Trump setting off a hoarding panic that meant lupus patients couldn’t get their meds.

you can’t back pedal now, no matter how hard you try.

The BARDA Director has filed a whistleblower complaint about this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/22/rick-bright-barda-director-claims-political-retali/


Sounds like there is much more to this story.

Politico....



Anyone who disagrees with Trump is guilt of “incompetence and insubordination” in his mind. This just backs it up. He probably told Trump the truth back in January about something else, and Trump has wanted him gone ever since.


also ... if you read the ENTIRE twitter thread (instead of the one tweet you selectively posted) you see that the reporter makes extremely clear that numerous sources have reported being pressured by the Trump Admin on hydroxychloroquine, and that the sources now making claims about Bright are all inside the Trump Admin. https://threader.app/thread/1253061054659248129


If you read the article, you will find this....

Bright told The New York Times on Wednesday that he believed his removal was because of his internal opposition to pursuing investments in malaria drugs as potential treatments for Covid-19, which President Donald Trump has touted without scientific evidence. Three people with knowledge of HHS' recent acquisition of tens of millions of doses of those drugs said that Bright had supported those acquisitions in internal communications, with one official saying that Bright praised the move as a win for the health department as part of an email exchange that was first reported by Reuters last week, although Bright's message was not publicly reported.

"If Bright opposed hydroxychloroquine, he certainly didn't make that clear from his email — quite the opposite," said the official, who has seen copies of the email exchanges.

In a statement late Wednesday, an HHS official directly linked Bright's decisions to the health department's acquisition of the malaria drugs.

"As it relates to chloroquine, it was Dr. Bright who requested an Emergency Use Authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for donations of chloroquine that Bayer and Sandoz recently made to the Strategic National Stockpile for use on COVID-19 patients," spokesperson Caitlin Oakley said. "The EUA is what made the donated product available for use in combating COVID-19."


The selection of hydroxychloroquine as a possible candidate was not made solely because of the French trial results. The nature of the COVID-19 viral illness destroyed blood cells and produced coagulapathies, inflammation, and cytokine storm very similar to lupus. As a medical person who has been dealing with drug shortages for the past ten years - most recently this year with the shortage of IgG ( look up the conditions who suffered as a result - devastating people with ALS, neurological degenerative diseases, etc) AMONG MANY OTHER SHORTAGES, it was reasonable to obtain supply before full results were out. On the other hand, I can see the outrage if this drug were not obtainable - “TRUMP DIDN’T ACT SOON ENOUGH TO OBTAin LIFE SAVING DRUG....BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.” And all the accompanying hysteria. You can slam him both ways, but you look stupid doing it.

At this time, there are no specific therapeutics approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat people with COVID-19, hospitals doctors and scientist have understood this, in spite of the lay people trying to make Trump’s statements more than they are. If you would like an excellent review of current treatment studies, I encourage you to follow this link to see what hospitals, doctors and researchers are actually doing, rather than using hype to guide your emotions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/


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https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2


Let's actually read this piece.
Oh, look here...

"The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment."

And, I read on and find......

"The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work."

So, this was another anecdotal report. Not a double blind study.

You cannot promote this "study" as fact and ignore the anecdotal reports of doctors and patients who have success with the combination of these two drugs.
They are all anecdotal.


in conclusion, Trump and his proxies were lying when they claimed it “works” and people who say otherwise just “hate Trump so much they want people to die.”


No.
There are many anecdotal reports of people, and doctors, who have said that they made marked improvement after taking this combination of drugs.
There are also anecdotal reports of people who had serious, and sometimes fatal side effects after taking these drugs.

Both can be true. And, so far, all the reports are anecdotal.

Why is this hard for you to comprehend?


the anecdotal nature is not hard at all for me to understand. The question is why Trump and Fox were pushing it, to the extent people were claiming here that . Beyond that, there were other reasons to think the French doctor was questionable, and the “French studies” were worthless.


If "pushing it," you mean having people speak who claim that HQX was the remedy that caused their recovery - that is actually news.
Just like others are touting the success of Remdesivir.
And, who claimed that "clinical trials were a Democratic ploy to undermine Trump?"


dude we ALL saw this happening in real time here. There is no backing away from what happened. On the one side, we had people saying “we don’t know until clinical trials.” On the other hand, you had “Fire Fauci!” and Laura Ingragam claiming Democrats want to kill people, and Trump setting off a hoarding panic that meant lupus patients couldn’t get their meds.

you can’t back pedal now, no matter how hard you try.

The BARDA Director has filed a whistleblower complaint about this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/22/rick-bright-barda-director-claims-political-retali/


Sounds like there is much more to this story.

Politico....



Anyone who disagrees with Trump is guilt of “incompetence and insubordination” in his mind. This just backs it up. He probably told Trump the truth back in January about something else, and Trump has wanted him gone ever since.


also ... if you read the ENTIRE twitter thread (instead of the one tweet you selectively posted) you see that the reporter makes extremely clear that numerous sources have reported being pressured by the Trump Admin on hydroxychloroquine, and that the sources now making claims about Bright are all inside the Trump Admin. https://threader.app/thread/1253061054659248129


If you read the article, you will find this....

Bright told The New York Times on Wednesday that he believed his removal was because of his internal opposition to pursuing investments in malaria drugs as potential treatments for Covid-19, which President Donald Trump has touted without scientific evidence. Three people with knowledge of HHS' recent acquisition of tens of millions of doses of those drugs said that Bright had supported those acquisitions in internal communications, with one official saying that Bright praised the move as a win for the health department as part of an email exchange that was first reported by Reuters last week, although Bright's message was not publicly reported.

"If Bright opposed hydroxychloroquine, he certainly didn't make that clear from his email — quite the opposite," said the official, who has seen copies of the email exchanges.

In a statement late Wednesday, an HHS official directly linked Bright's decisions to the health department's acquisition of the malaria drugs.

"As it relates to chloroquine, it was Dr. Bright who requested an Emergency Use Authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for donations of chloroquine that Bayer and Sandoz recently made to the Strategic National Stockpile for use on COVID-19 patients," spokesperson Caitlin Oakley said. "The EUA is what made the donated product available for use in combating COVID-19."


The selection of hydroxychloroquine as a possible candidate was not made solely because of the French trial results. The nature of the COVID-19 viral illness destroyed blood cells and produced coagulapathies, inflammation, and cytokine storm very similar to lupus. As a medical person who has been dealing with drug shortages for the past ten years - most recently this year with the shortage of IgG ( look up the conditions who suffered as a result - devastating people with ALS, neurological degenerative diseases, etc) AMONG MANY OTHER SHORTAGES, it was reasonable to obtain supply before full results were out. On the other hand, I can see the outrage if this drug were not obtainable - “TRUMP DIDN’T ACT SOON ENOUGH TO OBTAin LIFE SAVING DRUG....BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.” And all the accompanying hysteria. You can slam him both ways, but you look stupid doing it.

At this time, there are no specific therapeutics approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat people with COVID-19, hospitals doctors and scientist have understood this, in spite of the lay people trying to make Trump’s statements more than they are. If you would like an excellent review of current treatment studies, I encourage you to follow this link to see what hospitals, doctors and researchers are actually doing, rather than using hype to guide your emotions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144665/



Awwww it's so, so hard to be the most powerful person on earth. Won't someone think of lil' Donald's feelings?

Maybe he should stop hyping drugs until the scientists and doctors make a break-thru? He comes across as an untrustworthy, ill-informed moron AT BEST.

When did Presidents become such whiny p#ssies? Legit question.
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